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Intel 580(J) rumor

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I just read an article on tweakers.net (Dutch) that some German webshops have taken the Intel Pentium 580 and the Intel Pentium 580J into pre-order. This chip should be the 90nm version of Intel's Prescott, with the NetBurst architecture. It should run at 4.0 GHz.

Also, it's rumoured that the Prescott will undergo yet another die-shrink, to 65nm, this time. This should enable the Prescott to 4.2 GHz speeds, or more...

Discuss!
 
Possible I guess... 4.2 GHz would bring them back up to compete with the Athlon 64 FX, assuming we don't see a 3.0 or 3.2 GHz A64 before then.

A die shrink only netting about a 10% increase in clock speed doesn't sound very exciting. Lets hope it reduces heat output by more than 10%
 
I haven't heard any news about this but I did find out that Intel is coming out with a new revision of their dual-cores.
<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/display/20050791210923.html">Intel Readies New 90nm Dual-Core Processors.
Intel Preps New Revisions of Dual-Core Pentium Chips</a>
 
Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
I haven't heard any news about this but I did find out that Intel is coming out with a new revision of their dual-cores.
<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/display/20050791210923.html">Intel Readies New 90nm Dual-Core Processors.
Intel Preps New Revisions of Dual-Core Pentium Chips</a>
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I saw that too. I wonder if there will be any significant changes, or if they just made some changes to help it run cooler and use less power. Maybe added some sort of logic so the two cores can communicate without hitting the FSB.
 
This is obviously just to keep the P4 in the game until Conroe/Merom are released.
I wouldn't expect Prescott to make it past 4.2GHz.
 
Every time Intel bumps the clock speed of this processor up a notch, they run into more heat problems. 6xx series P4s sort-of solved it. I'm surprised they'd release a 580J instead of a 6xx serise P4 at 4 ghz? Why would they even do that? EIST makes the processors far more tolerable in operation.
 
Does Intel realize that raising clock speed isn't helping them compete? They have to move in a new direction. On-die memory controllers would be nice.
 
Originally posted by: Bona Fide
Does Intel realize that raising clock speed isn't helping them compete? They have to move in a new direction. On-die memory controllers would be nice.
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Sure it does. Not to people who are slightly computer-savvy, but to the masses, higher clock speed = better cpu.
 
Originally posted by: Bona Fide
Does Intel realize that raising clock speed isn't helping them compete? They have to move in a new direction. On-die memory controllers would be nice.
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It does help, but the problem is they're not able to raise it high enough to gain ground. Back when clock speeds were at 2 GHz, the next model up, 2.2 Ghz, was a 10% increase in clock speed that increased performance by almost as much. Now a 200 Mhz increase in clock speed is a 5-6% increase in clock speed, so the performance gain is less than 5% cause of course performance doesn't scale linearly with clock speed. Intel would need to use a 300-400 MHz gap between models to get back to that ~10% increase in performance between models.
 
They are moving in a new direction. Netburst is reaching the end of its lifespan, and Intel's next-generation cores are as much about IPC as they are about clock speed.
Intel are simply trying to squeeze as much life out of Netburst as they can until they're ready to release Conroe.
 
Intel wants to remain as competitive as possible with its current technology before releasing what some people see as a possible trump card or wonder chip to bring things closer to equilibrium.

I hope AMD hold their lead for a while longer, any advantages they get now should strengthen their position as a very firm competitor to Intel for a good time.
 
I would not be suprised to see a 4.4ghz P4 on 65nm.

As others have said, Yonah, Meram, Conroe are the ones to look forward to.

AMD kicked Intel in the nuts with AMD64, it takes a while for the sleeping giant to turn out a real response.

Chipzilla will certainly come out swinging in 2006, im hoping for some $150 A64 4000+s 😛

Edit: spelling
 
Originally posted by: Acanthus
I would not be suprised to see a 4.4ghz P4 on 65nm.

As others have said, Yonah, Meram, Conroe are the ones to look forward to.

AMD kicked Intel in the nuts with AMD64, it takes a while for the sleeping giant to turn out a real response.

Chipzilla will certainly come out swinging in 2006, im hoping for some $150 A64 4000+s 😛

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Yah, that'd be great. So far, AMD is controlling the high-end gaming market. If Intel comes up with good gaming CPU's for slightly less, AMD will also charge less for their processors, thus starting a little circle, and making the processors cheaper for us 😀.
 
Sorry to divert this thread, but has anyone heard anything about the new M2 line? I wonder if this is AMD's Conroe-killer 😛
 
Originally posted by: Jeff7181
Possible I guess... 4.2 GHz would bring them back up to compete with the Athlon 64 FX, assuming we don't see a 3.0 or 3.2 GHz A64 before then.

A die shrink only netting about a 10% increase in clock speed doesn't sound very exciting. Lets hope it reduces heat output by more than 10%
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I don't see how.. even at 4.2Ghz That's only a 10% speed bump over what they have now. FX-57 leads by a heck of a lot more than 10% in many benchmarks. And this is best case senario scaling, meaning 100% benchmarks with CPU speed which never happens.

Really need about 4.4 to compete with 57 in the real world marks.
http://www.anandtech.com/printarticle.aspx?i=2456
 
Well, whoever emerges the winner, I don't care. I think most of us (at least, I do) just want to have the best overall product.
 
Originally posted by: Bona Fide
Sorry to divert this thread, but has anyone heard anything about the new M2 line? I wonder if this is AMD's Conroe-killer 😛
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The only rumour and a half ive heard is that it will have an integrated PCI-E controller, which accounts for all those extra pins.
 
m2 is supposed to transition into ddr2, it will replace 939 as the top platform but I get the feeling 939 is going to be around for a very long time
 
Originally posted by: Zebo
Originally posted by: Jeff7181
Possible I guess... 4.2 GHz would bring them back up to compete with the Athlon 64 FX, assuming we don't see a 3.0 or 3.2 GHz A64 before then.

A die shrink only netting about a 10% increase in clock speed doesn't sound very exciting. Lets hope it reduces heat output by more than 10%
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I don't see how.. even at 4.2Ghz That's only a 10% speed bump over what they have now. FX-57 leads by a heck of a lot more than 10% in many benchmarks. And this is best case senario scaling, meaning 100% benchmarks with CPU speed which never happens.

Really need about 4.4 to compete with 57 in the real world marks.
http://www.anandtech.com/printarticle.aspx?i=2456
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Well assuming my random sampling of performance numbers, if the P4 was at 4GHz to 4.2GHz it would tie the benchmarks which it lost by and stomp the 57 in the benchmarks that they're currently tied in. (3.8GHz vs 57). So if the 4GHz can work, that's pretty impressive performance no?

 
Originally posted by: TuxDave
Well assuming my random sampling of performance numbers, if the P4 was at 4GHz to 4.2GHz it would tie the benchmarks which it lost by and stomp the 57 in the benchmarks that they're currently tied in. (3.8GHz vs 57). So if the 4GHz can work, that's pretty impressive performance no?
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Yeah... right ... you expect Zebo to admit that a PRESCOTT could beat any AMD chip, let alone the FX-57? 😛

We'll likely see 4.0, 4.2, and 4.4 Prescott's on 65nm, and probably sooner than you think.

 
Originally posted by: TuxDave
Well assuming my random sampling of performance numbers, if the P4 was at 4GHz to 4.2GHz it would tie the benchmarks which it lost by and stomp the 57 in the benchmarks that they're currently tied in. (3.8GHz vs 57). So if the 4GHz can work, that's pretty impressive performance no?
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That simply isn't true.
If a 1.8GHz A64 can keep up with a 3.0GHz P4, then a 2.8GHz FX-57 should theoretically be able to keep up with a 4.6GHz P4. However, if you look here you will see that it takes more than 4.6GHz to even match the FX-55, let alone FX-57.
It seems that even if Intel were able to scale Prescott to the speeds it was intended to reach, it would still be knocked around by the Athlon 64, especially in gaming.
Intel with Prescott are now in the position that AMD were with Barton. It is now the P4 that is due for retirement.
 
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