News Intel 4Q21 Earnings

[TheELF]

AMD is going to sell everything Epyc they have, so it's just a function of how much they can supply. The "good" thing for Intel is that it appears AMD is so short Intel doesn't need to cut prices. AMD is instead jacking up their prices.

It might look good to some people but increasing prices without any real reason is the best way for big customers to think twice about buying from you again.
Intel has been swallowing the extra cost getting a lower margin instead of increasing prices for the customer because that makes it super easy for any company to re use their previous budget plan without having to think about it at all.
At least for the mainstream CPUs, I have no idea about pricing in the server class.

 

[Mopetar]

Companies don't adjust prices out of the goodness of their heart. They have to if they can't sell at previous prices or because the demand is so high that it allows them to get away with it anyway.

Intel made HEDT incredibly expensive when AMD had no competition. Now that AMD has great CPUs they've stopped being the ultra-budget option because they can charge more.

 

[Markfw]

It might look good to some people but increasing prices without any real reason is the best way for big customers to think twice about buying from you again.
Intel has been swallowing the extra cost getting a lower margin instead of increasing prices for the customer because that makes it super easy for any company to re use their previous budget plan without having to think about it at all.
At least for the mainstream CPUs, I have no idea about pricing in the server class.

They are not charging more for consumer, I just got a 5950x for $649. Server class is what jpiniero was talking about that you commented on, THATS where prices have risen. They have no competition, and supply is short, and they might be paying more for their supplies to make them.

 

[TheELF]

They are not charging more for consumer, I just got a 5950x for $649. Server class is what jpiniero was talking about that you commented on, THATS where prices have risen. They have no competition, and supply is short, and they might be paying more for their supplies to make them.

Bargain or sale prices don't count, ryzen 3800x went from $399 to 5800x at $449. The whole gen went up in price and was reduced to only four skus for desktop.
Changing prices and skews is really bad for selling to big companies.

Also yeah that's what I said, I don't know if intel increased prices on server units.

 

[Markfw]

Bargain or sale prices don't count, ryzen 3800x went from $399 to 5800x at $449. The whole gen went up in price and was reduced to only four skus for desktop.
Changing prices and skews is really bad for selling to big companies.

Also yeah that's what I said, I don't know if intel increased prices on server units.

Its been $649 for months here, 2515 sold. Now its down to $619 !!! I wouldn't call that sale prices.

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Edit: And from what I have read here, Intel is discounting their prices on servers to large clients to keep them, since they currently have inferior products in that area.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Let's be realistic: prices for anything current-gen are up relative to past products occupying similar market positions. It is interesting to see that Intel's 10nm family of nodes bring with them high cost-to-manufacture. That implies continued yield problems, which might explain Sapphire Rapids' extended absence.

 

[TheELF]

Its been $649 for months here, 2515 sold. Now its down to $619 !!! I wouldn't call that sale prices.

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AMD Ryzen 5000 Series desktop processors. Be unstoppable with the unprecedented speed of the world's best desktop processors. With AMD Ryzen, you're always in the lead. Want more?. Get maximum graphics and storage bandwidth with PCIe 4.0.

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Edit: And from what I have read here, Intel is discounting their prices on servers to large clients to keep them, since they currently have inferior products in that area.

Anything that is not AMD price is sale price, it doesn't make a difference how desperate resellers are in getting their inventory sold reducing prices as they go, AMD sets the retail price and they still sell it for $799.

https://www.amd.com/en/direct-buy/5450881400/us

 

[Markfw]

Anything that is not AMD price is sale price, it doesn't make a difference how desperate resellers are in getting their inventory sold reducing prices as they go, AMD sets the retail price and they still sell it for $799.

https://www.amd.com/en/direct-buy/5450881400/us

Thats MSRP.

Newegg, Amazon, and others have it at $685, B&H for $690. The highest I saw was $730. NOBODY is selling for MSRP or even close.. Why are YOU so DESPERATE to use this to defend your position ?

Geeeessssh

Edit: and on the flip side, Intel lists the 12900k suggested price at $590-$600. They have never sold for that. They are ABOVE that price, and have been since introduction, currently at $616 (newegg)

 

[Zucker2k]

I remember not too long ago, Newegg, Amazon, Best Buy, and other major retailers were the gold standard for price lists. It's now firmly eBay, I guess, or wherever one can find bulk discounted prices. Let's all take note for the future.

 

[TheELF]

Thats MSRP.

Newegg, Amazon, and others have it at $685, B&H for $690. The highest I saw was $730. NOBODY is selling for MSRP or even close.. Why are YOU so DESPERATE to use this to defend your position ?

Geeeessssh

Edit: and on the flip side, Intel lists the 12900k suggested price at $590-$600. They have never sold for that. They are ABOVE that price, and have been since introduction, currently at $616 (newegg)

It's MSRP but it also is the price that AMD charges to people, that page I linked is AMDs retail shop, you want to buy that CPU you are going to pay that price.

My position was this:
"Intel has been swallowing the extra cost getting a lower margin instead of increasing prices for the customer because that makes it super easy for any company to re use their previous budget plan without having to think about it at all. "

For companies the msrp is what counts, they don't wait around for years to get good prices on ebay for older tech, they buy new stuff.

 

[coercitiv]

For companies the msrp is what counts

Sweet summer child...