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Insurance For Everyone DAMMIT!

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President-elect Donald Trump said in a weekend interview that he is nearing completion of a plan to replace President Obama’s signature health-care law with the goal of “insurance for everybody,” while also vowing to force drug companies to negotiate directly with the government on prices in Medicare and Medicaid.
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http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-vows-‘insurance-for-everybody’-in-obamacare-replacement-plan/ar-AAlTSAO?li=BBnbcA1

This is going to get real interesting, especially since the only plan that's been almost floated was Rand Paul's but it didn't meet the lower deductibles benchmark Trump wants.
I'm seriously starting to think it will be Trump to bring a medicare for all or single payer option to the US.
 
K1052 said:
Trump proposing something like total Medicare coverage would be amazing just to watch Paul Ryan's head implode and the GOP caucus descend into open civil war.
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Lol, it would be as if the GOP adopted Bernie Sanders position on HC.

Of course, I want to see it in writing. Trump has often lied about what he wants to do.

Sounds good in the sound bites, but the reality is far different. He knows few pay attn to details and exploits it.
 
It would be epic. Guy like me or sporty or sheik would praise Trump but just on this one issue. Our more conservative guys would accept it because Trump. Our Trump fluffer members would just go ape.
 
K1052 said:
Trump proposing something like total Medicare coverage would be amazing just to watch Paul Ryan's head implode and the GOP caucus descend into open civil war.
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I can see it now. Mitch McConnell, flat on his back while congress places large rocks on top of him, his eyes bulge even more and he murmurs "..more weight..."

I'd watch that CSPAN slot for sure.
 
kage69 said:
I can see it now. Mitch McConnell, flat on his back while congress places large rocks on top of him, his eyes bulge even more and he murmurs "..more weight..."

I'd watch that CSPAN slot for sure.
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Hey now you don't want to put a turtle on its back. They have some trouble getting back to their feet again.
 
I love how Trumps set the stage:
Everyone covered
None of the popular elements of ACA lost
Lower deductibles
Lower monthly rates
Lower prescription costs

I'd love to see it and I do believe its possible if we all can be brave.
 
This is how he got his hotels and casinos built on time and under budget. Because he didn't take no for an answer and pounded the table if he needed to. If only one politician had pounded the table when the insurance lobby was getting their hands all over the ACA, we maybe wouldn't have to repeal it!
 
momeNt said:
This is how he got his hotels and casinos built on time and under budget. Because he didn't take no for an answer and pounded the table if he needed to. If only one politician had pounded the table when the insurance lobby was getting their hands all over the ACA, we maybe wouldn't have to repeal it!
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Hopefully we're talking about one of those endeavors that didn't go catastophically out of business wiping out huge public and/or private investments in the process for the purposes of this comparison...
 
Bitek said:
Of course, I want to see it in writing. Trump has often lied about what he wants to do.
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Trump has promised everything to everyone.
Impossible to tell what his actions will be, but choices will have to be made, lines drawn, and someone is going home having been lied to.
 
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momeNt said:
This is how he got his hotels and casinos built on time and under budget. Because he didn't take no for an answer and pounded the table if he needed to. If only one politician had pounded the table when the insurance lobby was getting their hands all over the ACA, we maybe wouldn't have to repeal it!
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He tended to build his empire by making audacious bets that nobody else would. Unfortunately for everyone else involved those bets usually blew up in everyone's face. I mean whenever you're talking about his business ventures and their supposed success it's important to remember the wreckage he left behind for those people foolish enough to go in on a plan with him.

If he expands Medicare to cover everyone I'll be the first one to sing his praises. I frankly see no way he can do this considering his tax policies but I guess you never know. I find it far more likely that he's simply lying like...well...he always does.
 
fskimospy said:
He tended to build his empire by making audacious bets that nobody else would. Unfortunately for everyone else involved those bets usually blew up in everyone's face. I mean whenever you're talking about his business ventures and their supposed success it's important to remember the wreckage he left behind for those people foolish enough to go in on a plan with him.

If he expands Medicare to cover everyone I'll be the first one to sing his praises. I frankly see no way he can do this considering his tax policies but I guess you never know. I find it far more likely that he's simply lying like...well...he always does.
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Technically the treasury can't run out of money, so it could work, but say hello to deficits.

The main problem is still congress. There's no reason they'd have to go along with it. Plus there's always impeachment if he becomes a real problem to them.

I just don't know how this plays out. I like the possibility of full coverage for everyone though.
 
Paratus said:
Technically the treasury can't run out of money, so it could work, but say hello to deficits.
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Well sure, government spending is not constrained by revenue, it's constrained by inflation. Even as someone who thinks we would be better off with a bit more inflation like me knows that a universal Medicare plan coupled with trillions in tax cuts isn't likely to be a 'bit more' though.

The main problem is still congress. There's no reason they'd have to go along with it. Plus there's always impeachment if he becomes a real problem to them.

I just don't know how this plays out. I like the possibility of full coverage for everyone though.
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I agree that Republicans in Congress are unlikely to pass anything like that if for no other reason than it will likely require raising taxes on the rich. They have almost no identifiable principles, but that's one they sure as hell have.

Honestly it just sounds to me like he is promoting their plan the same way he promotes everything else: he promises it's the best and greatest ever. I wouldn't be surprised if he has no idea what the plan even is.
 
Could be interesting. In any case, if they repeal ACA, GOP owns the health care mess that follows. I can't imagine they want to own a total disaster, so they'll have to come up with something that works at least as good as the ACA, and the only thing left is more Medicaid expansion and maybe universal single payer.
"Insurance for everybody" is now Trump's "if you like your doctor, you can keep him" that the replacement plan will be measured against 🙂
 
If it's ever passed then progressives still won't be satisfied with it. There will be a "poor door" on the hospital the same way there was on this luxury condo. People with means don't let their kids go to school with the poors and they sure as hell aren't going to pay to have the poors' kids prioritized over their own in the waiting room while Buffy is waiting to get their abrasion from the polo game treated.

http://nypost.com/2016/01/17/poor-door-tenants-reveal-luxury-towers-financial-apartheid/
 
momeNt said:
This is how he got his hotels and casinos built on time and under budget. Because he didn't take no for an answer and pounded the table if he needed to. If only one politician had pounded the table when the insurance lobby was getting their hands all over the ACA, we maybe wouldn't have to repeal it!
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So, as usual, he won't pay the private contractors and they'll go bankrupt. In this case, I guess the private contractors would be...private insurance companies? Hmm, that might actually work. 😵
 
glenn1 said:
If it's ever passed then progressives still won't be satisfied with it. There will be a "poor door" on the hospital the same way there was on this luxury condo. People with means don't let their kids go to school with the poors and they sure as hell aren't going to have their kids going to the hospital with them either.

http://nypost.com/2016/01/17/poor-door-tenants-reveal-luxury-towers-financial-apartheid/
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Uhmm, no. The buildings with the 'poor door' were buildings that took advantage of city and state tax subsidies on the condition that they designate apartments in their building to be below market rate. The developers then tried to get around it by making what amounted to a separate apartment building for the poors. The city simply amended the rules to prevent that unintended consequence from happening in the future.

Also it's funny that you're complaining about what the progressives want while linking the NY Post, which is an extreme right wing tabloid.
 
fskimospy said:
Uhmm, no. The buildings with the 'poor door' were buildings that took advantage of city and state tax subsidies on the condition that they designate apartments in their building to be below market rate. The developers then tried to get around it by making what amounted to a separate apartment building for the poors. The city simply amended the rules to prevent that unintended consequence from happening in the future.

Also it's funny that you're complaining about what the progressives want while linking the NY Post, which is an extreme right wing tabloid.
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So how are those "desegregated" schools working out for you? I'm sure medical care will be soooooooooooo much different though, right?
 
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