Instead of a border fence we should be building a border river/moat

glugglug

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A friend of mine said he saw a documentary where they were discussing how environmentally unfriendly it is having everything transported to us from around the world today. They said bottled water was one of the worst recent trends because the environmental cost to ship the water was so high, etc.
Also had a comparison of the impact of different wines depending on where it is bottled vs. where you consume it, and counterintuitively, if you are in NY, wine from France is far greener than wine from California, because of shipping by boat vs. shipping by truck.

This got us thinking.... what if we were to dig a new river/moat along the U.S./Mexico border instead of a border fence - in addition to helping with immigration it could serve as a new shipping lane to get stuff from the west coast to the east?? Plus, having a river running along the southern coast of Arizona and New Mexico will help humidify them, spawning a new agriculture boom in that area.

Of course to really get to the east coast, we would have to add a river separating the Florida peninsula. Since the Florida peninsula isn't really part of the continental shelf but is more of a floating chunk of limestone affixed to it, after severing it to create this river it will float off with the ocean currents, most likely ending up somewhere around Nova Scotia, Canada. This will help to solve our rising healthcare costs!

? most likely minimal immigration impact - most of the illegal immigration isn't across the Mexico border on land anyway; it comes in through our airports. I was serious in my post about there being 30 million people in Queens, NY, half of them non-English speaking.
 

Atreus21

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Originally posted by: glugglug
A friend of mine said he saw a documentary where they were discussing how environmentally unfriendly it is having everything transported to us from around the world today. They said bottled water was one of the worst recent trends because the environmental cost to ship the water was so high, etc.
Also had a comparison of the impact of different wines depending on where it is bottled vs. where you consume it, and counterintuitively, if you are in NY, wine from France is far greener than wine from California, because of shipping by boat vs. shipping by truck.

This got us thinking.... what if we were to dig a new river/moat along the U.S./Mexico border instead of a border fence - in addition to helping with immigration it could serve as a new shipping lane to get stuff from the west coast to the east?? Plus, having a river running along the southern coast of Arizona and New Mexico will help humidify them, spawning a new agriculture boom in that area.

Of course to really get to the east coast, we would have to add a river separating the Florida peninsula. Since the Florida peninsula isn't really part of the continental shelf but is more of a floating chunk of limestone affixed to it, after severing it to create this river it will float off with the ocean currents, most likely ending up somewhere around Nova Scotia, Canada. This will help to solve our rising healthcare costs!

? most likely minimal immigration impact - most of the illegal immigration isn't across the Mexico border on land anyway; it comes in through our airports. I was serious in my post about there being 30 million people in Queens, NY, half of them non-English speaking.

You're talking about an undertaking of at least 40 times the scale of the Panama Canal?

The mind boggles.
 

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Originally posted by: Atreus21
Originally posted by: glugglug
A friend of mine said he saw a documentary where they were discussing how environmentally unfriendly it is having everything transported to us from around the world today. They said bottled water was one of the worst recent trends because the environmental cost to ship the water was so high, etc.
Also had a comparison of the impact of different wines depending on where it is bottled vs. where you consume it, and counterintuitively, if you are in NY, wine from France is far greener than wine from California, because of shipping by boat vs. shipping by truck.

This got us thinking.... what if we were to dig a new river/moat along the U.S./Mexico border instead of a border fence - in addition to helping with immigration it could serve as a new shipping lane to get stuff from the west coast to the east?? Plus, having a river running along the southern coast of Arizona and New Mexico will help humidify them, spawning a new agriculture boom in that area.

Of course to really get to the east coast, we would have to add a river separating the Florida peninsula. Since the Florida peninsula isn't really part of the continental shelf but is more of a floating chunk of limestone affixed to it, after severing it to create this river it will float off with the ocean currents, most likely ending up somewhere around Nova Scotia, Canada. This will help to solve our rising healthcare costs!

? most likely minimal immigration impact - most of the illegal immigration isn't across the Mexico border on land anyway; it comes in through our airports. I was serious in my post about there being 30 million people in Queens, NY, half of them non-English speaking.

You're talking about an undertaking of at least 40 times the scale of the Panama Canal?

The mind boggles.
Actually, maybe it's a perfect job for Stimulus 2.

 

EagleKeeper

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The Rio Grande is fresh water - you would have to use salt water from the Pacific to fill the ditch - no extra fresh water exists between CA and TX. That would also impact that ecosystem unless you are going to bypass that river.
Note that the mighty Colorado River no longer can even make it to the Gulf of CA.

There is already waterway across Fla via the Lake which uses locks
 

spacejamz

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Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Can we use flaming water?

and alligators? lots of alligators....or maybe sharks with lasers attached to their heads....
 

Jaskalas

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Originally posted by: glugglug
Topic: Instead of a border fence we should be building a border river/moat

One word: Elevation

Check out the terrain around El Paso. How are you getting this water up over 5,000 feet above sea level?
 

StageLeft

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Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Originally posted by: glugglug
Topic: Instead of a border fence we should be building a border river/moat

One word: Elevation

Check out the terrain around El Paso. How are you getting this water up over 5,000 feet above sea level?
The same way mountains have water up high. By making it ice.
 

Modelworks

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If this were the 1950's it would have been built already. The government would have set up the project, offered all the out of work people a job and it would have been built in record time. Now they have so many regulations and details to work out that nothing gets done.

Look at how fast they build Oak Ridge, TN for the bomb. They offered work to thousands of people and had hundreds of building built in months.
 

CitizenKain

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Originally posted by: Modelworks
If this were the 1950's it would have been built already. The government would have set up the project, offered all the out of work people a job and it would have been built in record time. Now they have so many regulations and details to work out that nothing gets done.

Look at how fast they build Oak Ridge, TN for the bomb. They offered work to thousands of people and had hundreds of building built in months.

Yes, I'm sure the idea of a gigantic ditch built across a huge chunk of the US would have been stopped by regulations, instead of something like common sense. Curse those regulations that prevent groundwater from being contaminated!
 

Modelworks

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Originally posted by: CitizenKain
Originally posted by: Modelworks
If this were the 1950's it would have been built already. The government would have set up the project, offered all the out of work people a job and it would have been built in record time. Now they have so many regulations and details to work out that nothing gets done.

Look at how fast they build Oak Ridge, TN for the bomb. They offered work to thousands of people and had hundreds of building built in months.

Yes, I'm sure the idea of a gigantic ditch built across a huge chunk of the US would have been stopped by regulations, instead of something like common sense. Curse those regulations that prevent groundwater from being contaminated!

I'm for a fence not a ditch.
 

ZzZGuy

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Originally posted by: DLeRium
Put all of our inmates and unemployed into this and we'll have it done in no time.

Oh god, untrained, unskilled, unmotivated people working on one of the largest construction projects in history? This isn't the great wall of China where you tell the slaves where and how to place the bricks, this will require a crap ton of the biggest earth moving equipment you can get your hands on as well as extensive blasting. I wouldn't trust them to dig a ditches efficiently enough to be cost effective.

The carbon footprint? I don't know if it'll ever pay for itself.

And on a side note I don't think you need to cut across Florida as ships can sail around.
 

bobsmith1492

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Originally posted by: ZzZGuy
Originally posted by: DLeRium
Put all of our inmates and unemployed into this and we'll have it done in no time.

Oh god, untrained, unskilled, unmotivated people working on one of the largest construction projects in history? This isn't the great wall of China where you tell the slaves where and how to place the bricks, this will require a crap ton of the biggest earth moving equipment you can get your hands on as well as extensive blasting. I wouldn't trust them to dig a ditches efficiently enough to be cost effective.

The carbon footprint? I don't know if it'll ever pay for itself.

And on a side note I don't think you need to cut across Florida as ships can sail around.

They should all dig with shovels - no heavy equipment required.
 

nageov3t

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even with some kind of crazy canal system cutting through the mexico/us border, I can't imagine a way in which shipping stuff from the west coast to the east coast would be faster or cheaper than rail or road.
 

Wheezer

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why water?....just dig a deep ass trench and fill it with punji sticks.

Every so often light it on fire to burn off the carcasses....hell have some fun and make it one big ass party with hot dogs...beer and s'mores......I'd go.
 

glugglug

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Originally posted by: ZzZGuy
And on a side note I don't think you need to cut across Florida as ships can sail around.

Yes, but sailing around it adds over 1000 extra miles, and besides, cutting through it is more fun with the added benefits of solving the social security and medicare funding problems.

Edit: on 2nd thought, it would only be 1000 extra miles if you are stopping at the Mississippi River along the way. Otherwise, after passing Texas you are already in the southern Gulf, so only need to go up the east side of Florida, not around both sides.
 

crisscross

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Originally posted by: Atreus21
Originally posted by: glugglug
A friend of mine said he saw a documentary where they were discussing how environmentally unfriendly it is having everything transported to us from around the world today. They said bottled water was one of the worst recent trends because the environmental cost to ship the water was so high, etc.
Also had a comparison of the impact of different wines depending on where it is bottled vs. where you consume it, and counterintuitively, if you are in NY, wine from France is far greener than wine from California, because of shipping by boat vs. shipping by truck.

This got us thinking.... what if we were to dig a new river/moat along the U.S./Mexico border instead of a border fence - in addition to helping with immigration it could serve as a new shipping lane to get stuff from the west coast to the east?? Plus, having a river running along the southern coast of Arizona and New Mexico will help humidify them, spawning a new agriculture boom in that area.

Of course to really get to the east coast, we would have to add a river separating the Florida peninsula. Since the Florida peninsula isn't really part of the continental shelf but is more of a floating chunk of limestone affixed to it, after severing it to create this river it will float off with the ocean currents, most likely ending up somewhere around Nova Scotia, Canada. This will help to solve our rising healthcare costs!

? most likely minimal immigration impact - most of the illegal immigration isn't across the Mexico border on land anyway; it comes in through our airports. I was serious in my post about there being 30 million people in Queens, NY, half of them non-English speaking.

You're talking about an undertaking of at least 40 times the scale of the Panama Canal?

The mind boggles.

Wow what a stupid idea to screw up the environment. You want to change the natural eco-system and you actually want to do it in the name of the environment? Wow just wow.
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Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Originally posted by: glugglug
Topic: Instead of a border fence we should be building a border river/moat

One word: Elevation

Check out the terrain around El Paso. How are you getting this water up over 5,000 feet above sea level?

Well, obviously you just dig a ditch that's 5,000 ft deep so it's no longer above sea level. Duh.
 

skyking

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Originally posted by: Skoorb
Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Originally posted by: glugglug
Topic: Instead of a border fence we should be building a border river/moat

One word: Elevation

Check out the terrain around El Paso. How are you getting this water up over 5,000 feet above sea level?
The same way mountains have water up high. By making it ice.

And put the ice on a conveyor belt, next to the plane.