Installing Maxtor 80gb ata/133 hd?

[FFactory0x]

Basically, today i have some free time and am going to install my maxtor 80gb hd into my computer.
My computer is
1.8ghz P4
256mb ram
40gb ata/100
WinMe
Cendyne 24x10x40
16x dvd

Now with that said, how do i hook everything up? I believe i am going for a fresh install on both drive since my computer right now is kind of screwed up.
First- How should i hook everything up? I think im going to have my Maxtor 80gb HD as my primary and move the 40gb to slave.
What cables go to where and what setting shoulkd everything be on. Also, the 80gb is ata/133 and the slave is ata/100. How do these hook up to the cd drives and to my board. Can i run the ata/133 cable from my 80gb to both my DVD drive and then to the primary mb slot. Then run the 40gb ata/100 cable to my cdrw to my secondary ide port?



Next- After this is finished what do i do to clean install everything,partition, ect? I think putting everything on my maxtor 80 would be the best bet.

 

[MichaelD]

1. Do you have the CD rom for your Operating system? You will need that.
2. Set jumpers on your new HD to Master. Set jumpers on your old HD to slave.
3. Set jumpers on CDRW to master, set jumpers on DVD to slave.
4. Hook up as follows: Primary IDE Channel: New HD master----->DVD slave Secondary IDE Channel: CDRW master--->old HD slave


I'm not familiar with Win Me..I think it's just a prettied-up Win98...you may have to use a boot disk to format your new HD...others can help you on this. With W2K, the setup program will format the drive for you directly from the CDrom.

Once you have an OS installed on your new HD, you can just copy whatever files you want from the old HD then you can format it so you can use it as a clean backup HD or whatever.

 

[Pabster]

You want to put your hard drive(s) on the ATA/133 controller and leave your optical devices (CD-RW, DVD, et al) on your mainboards' IDE ports.

 

[FFactory0x]

Which one of you guys is right? One says one thing, and the other says somthing else. Wouldnt putting both hds on one ata/133 be bad cause one drive is ata/133 and the other is ata/100. Please clarify for me which would be better, also contniue on helping me with installing and formatting the drives(partioning etc)

 

[ElFenix]

if you don't have a controller card i would do what michaelD suggests. if you do, i would put the 80 and the dvd on the mobo, and the other two on the controller. in theory the mobo is faster since p4 chipsets don't use pci bus to use the chipset's controllers. the reason i would put the dvd on there is that some controller cards don't work real well if they aren't installed in the OS first, which is the dumbest thing i've ever seen but its happened to me.

 

[FFactory0x]

I dont think my computer has a contoller card.
This is what the MB features though
Intel® 850 chip set consisting of:

Intel 82850 Memory Controller Hub (MCH)
Intel 82801BA I/O Controller Hub (ICH2)
Intel 82802AB 4-megabit (Mb) Firmware Hub (FWH)

Memory:

Two Direct-RDRAM channels with two RIMMs per channel
Support for up to 2 gigabytes (GB) of memory using PC600 or PC800 RDRAM

AGP connector supporting 1.3-volt (V) 4X AGP cards
Ultra DMA, ATA-33/66/100 support
100-megahertz (MHz) front bus speed (speed of motherboard)
400-MHz host bus speed (speed at which the I/O controller communicates with the processor)
Advanced Configuration and Power Interface (ACPI) support (Power Management support)
PCI local bus specification revision 2.2


So would the ata/133 not work anyway?

 

[piasabird]

It will work at ATA-100 speeds. Hard Drives are generally backwards (ATA) compatable. Whether you can make a partition that large is another matter; that being controlled by the BIOS. If you can not the BIOS will tell you. There are some programs that let you divide up a larger harddrive if you can not make an 80 Gig partition. You may want to consider buying a PCI card for ATA 133. Otherwise you should have just purchased an ATA-100 drive.

You may want to install that drive as a slave and then format it before you make it the Master. Sometimes a harddrive comes with a driver disk to just copy the other harddrive like an image. This works sometimes, but you have to defrag both drives first. There are utilities like EZ-Max or EZ-Drive that can transfer one harddrive to the other. Also programs like Partition Magic. Or maybe Norton may have some utilities that may be helpful.

 

[hobcat1]

Interesting....
Your motherboard won't take advantage of the (slight) increase in speed for ATA133. If you don't have a seperate card with IDE ports, you don't have a controller card. Meaning:
1. You could put both HD on the same channel, but if you run them both at the same time, you could see drops in speed.
2. Don't put any optical drives on the same channel as your best HD, or they will slow it down.
3. If you use the DVD to burn straight to the CDRW (not advised, as DVD's DAE rates are slow), don't put them on the same channel. Info will get mixed.

 

[FFactory0x]

This is confusing the hell out of me. I have gotten a different answer form everyone. Which option should i use? I liked Micheal' option.

No, i dont burn directly. I rip then burn.

 

[MichaelD]

I know it's confusing. It's supposed to be.

My way will work. The other guys' ways will work too, but all those proggys mentioned you prolly don't have and some aren't the easiest to use. My way is relatively risk free. Try it out.

 

[Pabster]

Here's the easy way.

Get yourself an ATA/133 controller. Christ, they're selling for a paltry $20 in FS/FT all the time. You probably could have found an 80GB Maxtor Retail bundled with one, even, had you looked or thought about it

Next, hook both of your hard drives to the ATA/133 PCI controller. Put your older 40GB drive on IDE1, your new 80GB Maxtor on IDE2. (Of the ATA/133 controller.)

Last, re-jumper your DVD and CD-RW as master (both of them). Place one on each channel of your motherboard. This places each device on a separate IDE channel and will avoid the conflicts others have mentioned, with regard to accessing multiple devices simultaneously.

It really isn't that hard.

 

[MichaelD]

Originally posted by: Pabster
Here's the easy way.

Get yourself an ATA/133 controller. Christ, they're selling for a paltry $20 in FS/FT all the time. You probably could have found an 80GB Maxtor Retail bundled with one, even, had you looked or thought about it

Next, hook both of your hard drives to the ATA/133 PCI controller. Put your older 40GB drive on IDE1, your new 80GB Maxtor on IDE2. (Of the ATA/133 controller.)

Last, re-jumper your DVD and CD-RW as master (both of them). Place one on each channel of your motherboard. This places each device on a separate IDE channel and will avoid the conflicts others have mentioned, with regard to accessing multiple devices simultaneously.

It really isn't that hard.

Yep. That would work just dandy.

 

[FFactory0x]

Id rather not spend any more money right now until i get my $200 in rebates back. Will i really notice a difference in performance if i hook it up Michaels way? I mean, I do play games and rip lots of cds . Then again later this year i will probably remove it when i build myself a brand new system. Gotta love Staples. They practically are paying for the system out of there own pockets with rebates and coupons . Im collecting parts right now. Anyway without buying a contoller card would michaels be the best?