Install a 2500k Today, or Wait for Bulldozer?

[Despoiler]

So you're going to ignore the fact that almost no info leaked on the iPad, iPad 2, iPhone 4S/5, Macbook Air, etc etc etc and pointing out the one highly publicized and moronic mistake one Apple employee made?

Look, I hate Apple as much as the next guy, but if you think Apple's hardware isn't relevant to the tech world, I'm just going to stop considering your opinions.

Anyway, now that we're completely off-topic... I wonder if AMD can pull off a strong release of BD, even if the numbers aren't good. I'm afraid that they're only going to pull off a vaporware launch. Hope they have quantity at release.

It happened with the iPhone5 too. Apparently you aren't up on all of the news, which is funny since your position would rely entirely upon it.

Apple is only relevant to the lemmings that buy their crap and investors that want more money. Apple has a superior marketing department and that is why they are so successful. It sure as hell is not because their hardware is better. Everyone else has always made better gear in every sector they are in unless you are in the graphic design or audio production area. That was largely a software advantage which has pretty much disappeared.

Supposedly BD yields are good, but Llano is literally gumming up the works. Hopefully AMD set their fab scheduling more towards BD production while they figure out the Llano yield issues.

 

[TemjinGold]

I know it's cool to hate on Apple but consider that Apple is the most valuable tech company in the world right and that it is powerful enough to make whoever they want bend to their will (think wireless carriers for one.) If that's not "relevant" to the tech world, I don't think I'd ever want to be "relevant" then.

Believe me when I say every tech company out there would rather be Apple than "relevant."

 

[Ika]

It happened with the iPhone5 too. Apparently you aren't up on all of the news, which is funny since your position would rely entirely upon it.

Apple is only relevant to the lemmings that buy their crap and investors that want more money. Apple has a superior marketing department and that is why they are so successful. It sure as hell is not because their hardware is better. Everyone else has always made better gear in every sector they are in unless you are in the graphic design or audio production area. That was largely a software advantage which has pretty much disappeared.

Supposedly BD yields are good, but Llano is literally gumming up the works. Hopefully AMD set their fab scheduling more towards BD production while they figure out the Llano yield issues.

I don't believe that iPhone 5 story - no details on the phone, not reported on major websites (Engadget), police department denied receiving a call about that phone, etc etc. It didn't happen as far as I'm concerned.

Apple's iPhone 4 was released over a year ago, so it goes without saying that current Android phones are going to beat the hell out of it hardware-wise. When it was unveiled, no other smartphone could touch it design-wise, if not hardware wise.

Then again, now that the iPhone 4S has been unveiled, I now agree that Apple is far behind in the tech curve. No LTE, no design changes, same size screen, maybe a faster processor and GPU - that's not enough. I'm not sure what Apple's doing right now but the iPhone 5 better be a real stunner.

I do hope the Llano problem gets resolved quickly, because in the grand scheme of things Llano will probably make them more money than Bulldozer ever will, given the size of the respective markets.

 

[frozentundra123456]

I know it's cool to hate on Apple but consider that Apple is the most valuable tech company in the world right and that it is powerful enough to make whoever they want bend to their will (think wireless carriers for one.) If that's not "relevant" to the tech world, I don't think I'd ever want to be "relevant" then.

Believe me when I say every tech company out there would rather be Apple than "relevant."

I really dont like Apple and know that hardware wise they are behind the curve and overpriced by about a factor of 2. However, I have never used a tablet and was looking around at them in best buy.

I looked at several android tablets, and found them not very intuitive to use. The interface just seemed clunky and confusing. I am sure that with some practice this would not be any problem. However, I looked at an i-Pad and must admit that the user interface initially seemed much more transparent. I would still probably by an android tablet instead of a i-pad, but the initial first impression of it was very positive.

 

[anti.machine]

Hmm I have always built AMD machines myself and they have met my needs...I am planning a build for Christmas and have been planning on going with the i5 but after reading this a new spark of hope has lit for the bulldozer! I am anxiously awaiting its release to see what happens!

 

[jacktesterson]

haha... I installed the new 990FX board. works great. just haven't overclocked it back to where i had it on previous board yet. Will continue to wait...wait...wait

 

[zlejedi]

I really dont like Apple and know that hardware wise they are behind the curve and overpriced by about a factor of 2. However, I have never used a tablet and was looking around at them in best buy.

I looked at several android tablets, and found them not very intuitive to use. The interface just seemed clunky and confusing. I am sure that with some practice this would not be any problem. However, I looked at an i-Pad and must admit that the user interface initially seemed much more transparent. I would still probably by an android tablet instead of a i-pad, but the initial first impression of it was very positive.

It isn't that suprising after they made a career selling computers to people who couldn't manage more than one mouse button

 

[sm625]

It's funny that 2/3 of people would wait this long only to totally trash something a week before it is released based on no hard information. Yall may as well put a sign on your head. I'll leave it to you to figure out what that sign should say. I still fully expect BD to outperform a 2500k by at least 20%, clock for clock, in gaming fps, within 6 months. Anything less would be a total fail of the AMD/ATI merger and of all things fusion. But I am least least willing to give them time to get drivers ready for the new hardware.

 

[deimos3428]

Wait until after Bulldozer is released to make your decision. It will probably perform somewhere between an Athlon II and Ivy Bridge, but the crystal ball gets fuzzy after that.

 

[The Ultimate]

I think that it will be competitive against the 2600K, it will not be faster for now, evenly matched with the slight edge for 2600K in overall performance and the edge to Bulldozer in heavily multithreaded apps.

Athlon II ?? LOL, by using the same crystal ball I can say that it will be faster than a Pentium Pro MMX xD

 

[drizek]

It happened with the iPhone5 too.

lol. There was no iPhone 5.

 

[ArchAngel777]

Not sure why people are reading into apoppin's comments so much. It doesn't mean Bulldozer is going to be faster. It is just the logical choice, to wait.

Why?

Well, because one of two things will likely happen...

1) Bulldozer is faster, prices drop.
2) Bulldozer is slow, prices drop.

So, really, the end result in most likely a price drop (although that is not CERTAIN, it is just very likely)... And if BD turns out to be the second coming, great... If not, well then you have no regrets moving forward.

 

[Despoiler]

lol. There was no iPhone 5.

Ahh no one confirmed the name of the product until yesterday. The hardware leaks were tagged as iPhone5. lol right back at you.

 

[drizek]

http://gawker.com/5846600

 

[frozentundra123456]

It's funny that 2/3 of people would wait this long only to totally trash something a week before it is released based on no hard information. Yall may as well put a sign on your head. I'll leave it to you to figure out what that sign should say. I still fully expect BD to outperform a 2500k by at least 20%, clock for clock, in gaming fps, within 6 months. Anything less would be a total fail of the AMD/ATI merger and of all things fusion. But I am least least willing to give them time to get drivers ready for the new hardware.

You are the first person I have heard that expects bulldozer to outperform Sandy Bridge clock for clock. If you mean clock for clock per core, just dont see how that can happen. If you mean clock for clock on some test that uses 8 cores, maybe, but I dont think that is a fair comparison. It is more a test of number of cores than clock for clock IPC. And you are comparing to the SB chip without hyperthreading.

And it is not fair to compare Bulldozer in six months to the 2500K which has already been out several months and will be quite old by then.

Finally, I think there have been just as many people touting Bulldozer as the next great thing as there have been trashing it. Neither can be justified until we have concrete benchmarks from a reliable source. So I dont really know what you meant by the sign on your head comment, but just as many in the AMD camp as in the AMD detractors camp could be wearing it!

 

[sm625]

Nope I mean clock for clock, in gaming fps. All games, average, across the board. Not just one game or just DX11 games. In 6 months, allowing time for catalyst drivers to mature. And obviously yes only when paired with radeon cards. I expect BD to mop the floor with IB too when it launches.

 

[Arkaign]

Nope I mean clock for clock, in gaming fps. All games, average, across the board. Not just one game or just DX11 games. In 6 months, allowing time for catalyst drivers to mature. And obviously yes only when paired with radeon cards. I expect BD to mop the floor with IB too when it launches.

You're aware that JF-AMD and various other staff have strongly hinted that BD is fundamentally designed to be a backoffice product to handle hugely parallel loads? And that games that do support multithreading generally crave very high per-core IPC over more smaller cores? (this is why i3-2100 competes very well vs. Phenom X6 in gaming, despite only having 2 true cores). Add to that the fact that 2500k/2600k easily clock to 4.5ghz, and you'd have to see BD bring a truly monumental per-core IPC increase over Phenom II to be competitive in gaming.

The part where you talk about Radeon cards makes no sense. BD doesn't have a GPU in it, and it would be a fatal flaw in the design if BD worked well only with AMD GPUs installed. A good CPU and chipset should excel regardless of the GPU brand used.

In short, I think you're smoking dope. I hope BD is decent, but honestly for gamers I think the best we can hope for is that an overclocked BD will be roughly equal to a stock 2500k in gaming. It is probable that in Cinebench and various encoding programs, particularly updated editions, that BD will be able to surpass 2500k/2600k. It is borderline crazy to think or expect BD to beat SB, let alone IB, in gaming.

 

[sm625]

In short, I think you're smoking dope.

I dont think you can make a compelling argument aside from ad hominem. Lucky for you and I, the people at ATI and AMD have more forward vision than you do. Or at least I hope they do.

 

[Arkaign]

I dont think you can make a compelling argument aside from ad hominem. Lucky for you and I, the people at ATI and AMD have more forward vision than you do. Or at least I hope they do.

More nonsense. There's no reason to expect BD to be a great gaming chip, perhaps other than for value from overclocking cheap models (I hate locked Intel chips with a passion). Simply everything from the variety of (probably mostly fake, though JF-AMD has not categorically denied all of them) leaked benches, shakeups at AMD management, pricing structure, delays, AMD statements related to their strategy focusing on servers, etc, it all shows a clear pattern.

AMD doesn't have 'forward vision' any more than Intel or any other company. They simply do what they can with what they have to try to make money for their shareholders.

 

[Broheim]

I dont think you can make a compelling argument aside from ad hominem. Lucky for you and I, the people at ATI and AMD have more forward vision than you do. Or at least I hope they do.

-10/10, you shouldn't troll, you're terrible at it.

 

[The Ultimate]

More nonsense. There's no reason to expect BD to be a great gaming chip, perhaps other than for value from overclocking cheap models

And there's no reason to expect that isn't. We just have to wait and see, fanboyism aside.

AMD doesn't have 'forward vision' any more than Intel or any other company. They simply do what they can with what they have to try to make money for their shareholders.

Totally truth in this one.

 

[Dadofamunky]

I voted for buying Bulldozer, partly because I thought the hints from Apoppin were interesting. I hope BD is competitive. Doesn't affect me at all. I'd sure like AMD to stay viable. It does look like, as Arkaign said, that BD's core architecture is geared more towards enterprise than desktop. That wouldn't be so bad either. I just want AMD to stay alive. (I drive by both companies every day, and AMD's main office is kinda slow and dead these days.)

 

[sangyup81]

More nonsense. There's no reason to expect BD to be a great gaming chip, perhaps other than for value from overclocking cheap models (I hate locked Intel chips with a passion). Simply everything from the variety of (probably mostly fake, though JF-AMD has not categorically denied all of them) leaked benches, shakeups at AMD management, pricing structure, delays, AMD statements related to their strategy focusing on servers, etc, it all shows a clear pattern.

AMD doesn't have 'forward vision' any more than Intel or any other company. They simply do what they can with what they have to try to make money for their shareholders.

I hope it's a great chip for BOINC!

 

[FAUguy]

I've been a long-time AMD fan and have built with their CPUs since the mid-90s instead of Intel. The last PC that I built for myself was 6 years ago and was an AMD Athlon X2 4400 (overclocked at 2.8Ghz.) Unfortunately my system died on me a couple weeks ago and had to replace the motherboard, CPU and RAM right away without too much delay.

I ended up going with the 2600K since it has the extra HT that makes using Sony Vegas faster for encoding videos, and is OC'd at 4.6Ghz. But if my old system didn't die on me, then I would have waited to see about the Bulldozer and some real-world reviews and benchmarks. I'm not regretting going with the 2600K, and I'm pleased with my purchase, but I would have liked the option of the Bulldozer if it were out.

 

[tweakboy]

You said do 1080p high graphics gaming and surf net and use apps. You can do this with a i7 920 or Core 2 Quad or 2500k and I promise you my friend you will not see a difference in Gaming speed and your surfing and browsing speed etc.

None of the above goes to 100 percent CPU usage.

For you 8 cores is going to do nothing. Do you use a multithreaded app ?

If you do then ok, but Gaming is not a multithreaded HT app. Gaming all you need is 4 cores of the above processsors ,, for example . Crysis 2 @ @ 1080p 8xAA 16xAF high quality, vsync on. my framrate never drops below 60fps ,,, its capped out no matter what I do, sometimes it goes to 57 never goes into 40's. It gives 60fps human eye ubberness.

If you do DAW like me, and use Sonar X1 OR you do heavy video editing with Vegas or Premiere then ya bulldoozer, other then that,,,, be happy with your 2500k Z68 ,,, yur not gonng see a difference trust me. Thank you all, gg and gl and gb always!

Hey Folks

I am about to put a new motherboard in my Rig to prepare to buy a FX-8150 Bulldozer. Everything else stays.

I on impulse, being traditionally an AMD/ATI fan, bought a i5 2500k/Gigabyte Z68 combo which comes tomorrow. Now I've built two 2500k systems in the past for people and easily got both stable at 4.4 and 4.5 Ghz.

My question is this... should I just put in the 990FX board and wait for Bulldozer?

or...

Should I install the 2500k Z68 combo and return the 990FX board?



This system is used for gaming at 1080p mostly, with some lighty duty downloading/browsing/etc.


What do you think? I'm making whatever change tomorrow morning!