Inspired from the fight thread: A machete wielder VS a Katana wielder in a duel

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NikPreviousAcct

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Originally posted by: nan0bug
Someone robbed our Papa Johns store with a Katana a couple months ago. I wasn't working at the time, but apparently my friend Ryan couldn't stop laughing the whole time the robbery was happening because of how absurd it was.

The guy got caught, along with his getaway driver. They're getting sentenced at the end of this month I believe.

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Did they get charged with assault with a deadly weapon? One would think that they would have been, but the article doesn't really say much.
 
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Originally posted by: nan0bug
Someone robbed our Papa Johns store with a Katana a couple months ago. I wasn't working at the time, but apparently my friend Ryan couldn't stop laughing the whole time the robbery was happening because of how absurd it was.

The guy got caught, along with his getaway driver. They're getting sentenced at the end of this month I believe.

Related news article

Hell, that'd be a real short robbery if they tried sticking up one of the local corner stores. There's a cranky old man with a twelve-gauge behind the counter, and all he'd have to do would be drop to the floor, pull it out from under the register, and open fire through the candy rack. I'd imagine it would be awful hard to swing a blade when your lumbar section is adorning the Slush Puppy machine.

- M4H
 

nan0bug

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I'm not entirely sure what they got charged with or what they're getting sentenced for, although if I had to guess I would say they probbably got charged with aggrivated assault, aggrivated robbery, terroristic threats and maybe a couple miscellaneous charges. Most likely they copped a plea bargain to get some of the charges dropped/lowered, however.
 

NikPreviousAcct

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TERRORISTIC THREATS!! BAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! QUICK! HOMELAND SECURITY THREAT LEVELS SHOULD BE RAISED! QUICK!! BAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA
 

nan0bug

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Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
Originally posted by: nan0bug
Someone robbed our Papa Johns store with a Katana a couple months ago. I wasn't working at the time, but apparently my friend Ryan couldn't stop laughing the whole time the robbery was happening because of how absurd it was.

The guy got caught, along with his getaway driver. They're getting sentenced at the end of this month I believe.

Related news article

Hell, that'd be a real short robbery if they tried sticking up one of the local corner stores. There's a cranky old man with a twelve-gauge behind the counter, and all he'd have to do would be drop to the floor, pull it out from under the register, and open fire through the candy rack. I'd imagine it would be awful hard to swing a blade when your lumbar section is adorning the Slush Puppy machine.

- M4H

I keep a shotgun in my trunk during that time of year in case I have to put a deer out of its misery, since last time I hit a deer there wasn't much I could do besides drag it to the side of the road and hope it died quickly.

If I would have been there and had the opportunity, that guy would be in a wheelchair for sure. I wouldn't kill a guy who has no chance in hell of getting close enough to hurt me, but I damn sure would remove a leg or two.
 

amdguy

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godamn it..using a honoured weapon for dishonourable cause??!!

they should be sentenced Seppuku!!
 

nan0bug

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Originally posted by: FFMCobalt
TERRORISTIC THREATS!! BAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! QUICK! HOMELAND SECURITY THREAT LEVELS SHOULD BE RAISED! QUICK!! BAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA

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§ 2706. Terroristic threats.

(a) Offense defined. A person commits the crime of terroristic threats if the person communicates, either directly or indirectly, a threat to:

1. commit any crime of violence with intent to terrorize another;
2. cause evacuation of a building, place of assembly, or facility of public transportation; or
3. otherwise cause serious public inconvenience, or cause terror or serious public inconvenience with reckless disregard of the risk of causing such terror or inconvenience.

(b) Restitution. If the building, place of assembly or facility of public transportation is owned or occupied by a school district, the person convicted of violating this section shall, in addition to any other sentence imposed, be sentenced to pay the school district restitution in an amount equal to the cost of the evacuation, including, but not limited to, the transportation of students and staff from the building, place of assembly or facility.

(c) Preservation of private remedies. No judgment or order of restitution shall debar the school district, by appropriate action, to recover from the offender as otherwise provided by law, provided that any civil award shall be reduced by the amount paid under the criminal judgment.

(d) Grading.--An offense under subsection (a) constitutes a misdemeanor of the first degree.

(e) Definition.--As used in this section, the term "communicates" means conveys in person or by written or electronic means, including telephone, electronic mail, Internet, facsimile, telex and similar transmissions.
 

Chu

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The romantics in this thread are killing me. Gun vs. Katana, do you really think the Katana user has a chance in most sisutations? Yes, given some of the contrived stuff i'm seeing here (very close range, neither has the weapon out, they draw at the same time is my personal favorite so far) the katana user would win, but the amount of training that it takes to be able to use a katana proficently enough NOT TO MAME YOURSELF is about the same amount of training needed to learn to use a gun efficently.
 

NikPreviousAcct

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Originally posted by: Chu
The romantics in this thread are killing me. Gun vs. Katana, do you really think the Katana user has a chance in most sisutations? Yes, given some of the contrived stuff i'm seeing here (very close range, neither has the weapon out, they draw at the same time is my personal favorite so far) the katana user would win, but the amount of training that it takes to be able to use a katana proficently enough NOT TO MAME YOURSELF is about the same amount of training needed to learn to use a gun efficently.

You have obviously not worked with a katana very long. :laugh:
 

Chu

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Originally posted by: FFMCobalt
Originally posted by: Chu
The romantics in this thread are killing me. Gun vs. Katana, do you really think the Katana user has a chance in most sisutations? Yes, given some of the contrived stuff i'm seeing here (very close range, neither has the weapon out, they draw at the same time is my personal favorite so far) the katana user would win, but the amount of training that it takes to be able to use a katana proficently enough NOT TO MAME YOURSELF is about the same amount of training needed to learn to use a gun efficently.

You have obviously not worked with a katana very long. :laugh:

Yes, I have. You obviously haven't been to firearms training lesson.
 

bradruth

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Originally posted by: Chu
Originally posted by: FFMCobalt
Originally posted by: Chu
The romantics in this thread are killing me. Gun vs. Katana, do you really think the Katana user has a chance in most sisutations? Yes, given some of the contrived stuff i'm seeing here (very close range, neither has the weapon out, they draw at the same time is my personal favorite so far) the katana user would win, but the amount of training that it takes to be able to use a katana proficently enough NOT TO MAME YOURSELF is about the same amount of training needed to learn to use a gun efficently.

You have obviously not worked with a katana very long. :laugh:

Yes, I have. You obviously haven't been to firearms training lesson.

Ooo, ooo, I have! :D
 

NikPreviousAcct

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Originally posted by: Chu
Originally posted by: FFMCobalt
Originally posted by: Chu
The romantics in this thread are killing me. Gun vs. Katana, do you really think the Katana user has a chance in most sisutations? Yes, given some of the contrived stuff i'm seeing here (very close range, neither has the weapon out, they draw at the same time is my personal favorite so far) the katana user would win, but the amount of training that it takes to be able to use a katana proficently enough NOT TO MAME YOURSELF is about the same amount of training needed to learn to use a gun efficently.

You have obviously not worked with a katana very long. :laugh:

Yes, I have. You obviously haven't been to firearms training lesson.

I have. :)
 

Mookow

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Originally posted by: bradruth
Originally posted by: amdguy
brad, thanks for the clarification

hehe..if u see a guy with a knife, would u point ur gun at him and ask him to drop the knife or u just shoot straight away?

now if u meet a well trained iaidoka with a concealed katana ur sooo dead :p

If at all possible I'd tell him to drop it, but if he's within 21 feet & on the move toward me he's a very legitimate threat to my life.

I don't think you know how fast I can go from an interview stance to having 3 rounds in my opponent. :D

There has been talk of extending that to a 30' radius. Hopefully, it gets recognized as such.
 

Mookow

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Originally posted by: amdguy
brad, thanks for the clarification

hehe..if u see a guy with a knife, would u point ur gun at him and ask him to drop the knife or u just shoot straight away?

now if u meet a well trained iaidoka with a concealed katana ur sooo dead :p

Let me put it this way: if you can see my gun, and you are the reason I pulled my gun, I'm shooting you. No "stop right there", or "hands up", or "I've got a gun", just a fast draw and a 230gr projectile or three. And the 45ACP is a rather well proven man-stopper.

If you recall the banzai charges of WWII, katana vs 45 ACP and 30-06, the katana loses. Big time.
 

Mookow

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Originally posted by: amdguy
Originally posted by: FFMCobalt
Originally posted by: Isshinryu
Either way, someone is going to end up dead, or maimed, so no one "wins." I'm thinking some of you people need to witness a blade attack firsthand so you'll stop making these stupid threads.

I've seen knife wounds. I've seen shank wounds. I've seen slash wounds and cleaving wounds. I've seen gunshot wounds of the pistol type, high powered rifle type, shotgun type, blah blah blah.

I will take my knives any day.

katana wound is rarely seen eh? i am pretty sure my sensei can cut a person into half from the chest level...no wussy guns can ever do that.

Dead is dead. A 45ACP to the head kills your target faster, and you dont have to get in range for anything that he might be carrying that isnt a projectile weapon, something you cannot say about a katana.

You can have your notions about honorable weapons and whatnot. But when it comes down to it, the only unfair fight is the one you lose. And you had better not lose a fight with an edged weapon or a firearm, because generally the loser is also the dead guy.

Give me a pistol over a blade, for almost all applications. Pistols are easier to carry legally (ffmcobalt, at least in my state they limit how long of a blade you can carry legally, concealed or not), and more effectively over a broader range of situations.
 

bradruth

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Originally posted by: Mookow
Originally posted by: bradruth
Originally posted by: amdguy
brad, thanks for the clarification

hehe..if u see a guy with a knife, would u point ur gun at him and ask him to drop the knife or u just shoot straight away?

now if u meet a well trained iaidoka with a concealed katana ur sooo dead :p

If at all possible I'd tell him to drop it, but if he's within 21 feet & on the move toward me he's a very legitimate threat to my life.

I don't think you know how fast I can go from an interview stance to having 3 rounds in my opponent. :D

There has been talk of extending that to a 30' radius. Hopefully, it gets recognized as such.

Oh yeah? I hadn't heard that.
 

Calin

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Originally posted by: FFMCobalt
You can run out of bullets and miss. You can't run out of Katana even if you do miss. People who underestimate a good knife attack really piss me off. :|

Knives are not a weapon that you make a big deal about. If you're my target and my weapon of choice is a knife, you won't know that I'm there or that I'm a threat until it's already in your neck. And nobody else will be the wiser until I'm already gone. Guns are sloppy, lazy, and cheap.

If two men were to fight with said weapons, the Katana fighter would win, assuming the wielder has been trained to use it properly and it's a properly made katana. If the machete were as long and strong as a katana, then the odds would be significantly more even. But, as it stands, the machete fighter doesn't have a chance (if equally trained).

Yes, katana being a two handed weapon makes its strikes a lot harder to block (especially with a one-handed "sword" or knife). (but I just theorize - I never saw a katana or machete in action)


Calin
 

Mookow

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Apr 24, 2001
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Originally posted by: FFMCobalt
Originally posted by: UglyCassanova
Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
Originally posted by: raanemaan
The redneck who comes with big gun and lots of bullets

Yup, you can have your shiny Katana and practice all of your life, but if I have a gun 99.999% of the time I win.

If by "99.999% of the time" you mean that you're in a caged arena with your opponent with no place to hide at close range, then yes, you're correct.

Ummm... the 45 ACP isnt known for it's penetrating prowess, but on average, given a spontaneous fight, there arent all that many places you can hide that will stop a 45 and still get you closer to me. Plus you still would have to cover a final stretch of ground, and unless your last name is Lutsky, I dont see you making that on your feet.
 

BillyBatson

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i think the katana would win cuz of the average reach advantage, dexterity, skill, and grace. the machete is more of a heavy ppppppbrute for object and would lose after the first swing

also a poll would have been nice =p
 

StageLeft

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Considering that a machete isn't intended to be used as a weapon, I think it's obvious who would win.