Inspired by Wal Mart thread

[JD50]

Originally posted by: bctbct

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: bctbct
Raising min. wage will cut jobs, then why year after year do the number of workers go up?

Why do most jobs pay above min. wage? Because most employers realize to get workers they must pay more....that inflation has outpaced min. wage increases.

I could pay .10 more for a hamburger if they jacked up the min wage by a buck.

If most jobs pay above minimum wage then why do we need to raise it?

If you are so eager to pay more for a hamburger, then go ahead, I'm sure the high school kid taking your money will be grateful for the tip.

Because there are still companies that pay minimum, which is lagging behind inflation.

So you are just against HS workers getting a raise?

I worked at McDonalds for two years while I was in high school, and I got a raise above minimum wage after about a year, because I earned it. And minimum wage was more than enough for me, since it was all just spending money anyways. Funny thing is, when I decided that I wanted more money, I got a better job at a bagel bakery making bagels, which in turn paid more than flipping burgers. Are you just against HS workers learning how to advance in todays society?

 

[LumbergTech]

Originally posted by: Wreckem

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: JD50
Who would take a $2 an hour job?

Most of the service Industry gets paid $2.13 hr.

This is the rate Republicans want the entire Country.

Many states have overidden the $2.13hr wage with as high as $8.00.

Can't have that even though $10hr is considered right at the poverty line.

Most of the service industry?

You mean most of the resturant service industry, and even then I wouldnt say most, the only people working for that are the wait staff. The cooks, dishwashers, bus boys, etc earn from min wage to $15/hr.Almost everyone I know working for less than $3 per hour bring home $70-80 in tips a night. Hell its not uncommon for waiters in fine dining to make $50k+ a year.

And quit spouting $10hr is right at the poverty line. $10hr is at the poverty line for a family of 4. 2x10hr jobs equal well above the poverty line. Honestly people shouldn't have kids if they cannot afford them.

I dont think that a family of four should have to have two people working 50 hour weeks just to live an ok life....I dont think that life needs to be extravagant either, but it 50 hour weeks suck the life out of you. ..and it takes away from a parents ability to properly parent, if you think that the fact that both parents have to work so much now doesnt have something to do with the way that youth are growing up then i dont know what else to say

 

[Wreckem]

Originally posted by: bctbct

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: bctbct
Raising min. wage will cut jobs, then why year after year do the number of workers go up?

Why do most jobs pay above min. wage? Because most employers realize to get workers they must pay more....that inflation has outpaced min. wage increases.

I could pay .10 more for a hamburger if they jacked up the min wage by a buck.

If most jobs pay above minimum wage then why do we need to raise it?

If you are so eager to pay more for a hamburger, then go ahead, I'm sure the high school kid taking your money will be grateful for the tip.

Because there are still companies that pay minimum, which is lagging behind inflation.

So you are just against HS workers getting a raise?

Ive been a manager in the fast food industry. There arent to many fast food establishments that pay $5.15. Most start at $6, some start at $7. The place I worked we started them at $6 and the employees that did a good job quickly got raises to $6.50. Now I hear most of the good employees(college and high school students a like) are making $7.50/hr.

 

[LumbergTech]

Originally posted by: Wreckem

Originally posted by: bctbct

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: bctbct
Raising min. wage will cut jobs, then why year after year do the number of workers go up?

Why do most jobs pay above min. wage? Because most employers realize to get workers they must pay more....that inflation has outpaced min. wage increases.

I could pay .10 more for a hamburger if they jacked up the min wage by a buck.

If most jobs pay above minimum wage then why do we need to raise it?

If you are so eager to pay more for a hamburger, then go ahead, I'm sure the high school kid taking your money will be grateful for the tip.

Because there are still companies that pay minimum, which is lagging behind inflation.

So you are just against HS workers getting a raise?

Ive been a manager in the fast food industry. There arent to many fast food establishments that pay $5.15. Most start at $6, some start at $7. The place I worked the employees that did a good job quickly got raises to $6.50. Now I hear most of the good employees(college and high school students a like) are making $7.50/hr.

that isnt true in many places though, in iowa and washington (places ive lived recently) the people i knew who worked fast food got minimum wage and maybe a quarter raise if they did well

 

[Stunt]

Whatever the market determines.
If someone will work for $1 an hour; that's fair in their eyes.
If someone rejects a job offer for $30 an hour; that's an unfair wage.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: LumbergTech

Originally posted by: Wreckem

Originally posted by: bctbct

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: bctbct
Raising min. wage will cut jobs, then why year after year do the number of workers go up?

Why do most jobs pay above min. wage? Because most employers realize to get workers they must pay more....that inflation has outpaced min. wage increases.

I could pay .10 more for a hamburger if they jacked up the min wage by a buck.

If most jobs pay above minimum wage then why do we need to raise it?

If you are so eager to pay more for a hamburger, then go ahead, I'm sure the high school kid taking your money will be grateful for the tip.

Because there are still companies that pay minimum, which is lagging behind inflation.

So you are just against HS workers getting a raise?

Ive been a manager in the fast food industry. There arent to many fast food establishments that pay $5.15. Most start at $6, some start at $7. The place I worked the employees that did a good job quickly got raises to $6.50. Now I hear most of the good employees(college and high school students a like) are making $7.50/hr.

that isnt true in many places though, in iowa and washington (places ive lived recently) the people i knew who worked fast food got minimum wage and maybe a quarter raise if they did well

Why does someone deserve to make more than that if all that they are capable of is working at a fast food resturaunt?

 

[Wreckem]

Originally posted by: LumbergTech

Originally posted by: Wreckem

Originally posted by: bctbct

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: bctbct
Raising min. wage will cut jobs, then why year after year do the number of workers go up?

Why do most jobs pay above min. wage? Because most employers realize to get workers they must pay more....that inflation has outpaced min. wage increases.

I could pay .10 more for a hamburger if they jacked up the min wage by a buck.

If most jobs pay above minimum wage then why do we need to raise it?

If you are so eager to pay more for a hamburger, then go ahead, I'm sure the high school kid taking your money will be grateful for the tip.

Because there are still companies that pay minimum, which is lagging behind inflation.

So you are just against HS workers getting a raise?

Ive been a manager in the fast food industry. There arent to many fast food establishments that pay $5.15. Most start at $6, some start at $7. The place I worked the employees that did a good job quickly got raises to $6.50. Now I hear most of the good employees(college and high school students a like) are making $7.50/hr.

that isnt true in many places though, in iowa and washington (places ive lived recently) the people i knew who worked fast food got minimum wage and maybe a quarter raise if they did well

It all depends on the franchise owner. However there is one franchise I know that pretty much all its employees start under $6, and that is Subway.

 

[charrison]

There is no such thing as a fair living wage. If wages are artically increased, that means prices will be articially increased that will eventually yield a net result of nothing changing.


If minimum wages are good, why not make it $100/hour or even $1000/hour, surely that will have a living wage at that point...

 

[bctbct]

Originally posted by: Wreckem

Originally posted by: bctbct

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: bctbct
Raising min. wage will cut jobs, then why year after year do the number of workers go up?

Why do most jobs pay above min. wage? Because most employers realize to get workers they must pay more....that inflation has outpaced min. wage increases.

I could pay .10 more for a hamburger if they jacked up the min wage by a buck.

If most jobs pay above minimum wage then why do we need to raise it?

If you are so eager to pay more for a hamburger, then go ahead, I'm sure the high school kid taking your money will be grateful for the tip.

Because there are still companies that pay minimum, which is lagging behind inflation.

So you are just against HS workers getting a raise?

Ive been a manager in the fast food industry. There arent to many fast food establishments that pay $5.15. Most start at $6, some start at $7. The place I worked we started them at $6 and the employees that did a good job quickly got raises to $6.50. Now I hear most of the good employees(college and high school students a like) are making $7.50/hr.

Okay we agree lets raise it to 6.50 since most people make that anyway.

that takes care of fast food

Next...

 

[PrinceofWands]

You need an option for 'there should be no minimum wage'. That being said a 'living wage' is what it takes to survive at a minimum. That's probably about $10/hr or maybe much more depending on your area.

 

[CycloWizard]

I'm paid $18,200 a year, which breaks down to $8.75/hr. I live pretty comfortably off this (despite the expensive girlfriend ). I wouldn't even consider raising a family on it, but it's enough for two people to live off of if they don't expect to live the high life. Of course, my lifestyle would probably considered extremely minimalistic by most peoples' standards, since I take public transit to and from work every day, shop at a discount grocer, drive a 16-year-old car that I maintain myself, and so on. Still, I eat what I want, have gas money, have money for whatever else I want to do. I think the problem is more that the average American has an unrealistic expectation of what he/she should have as a lifestyle while working an unskilled job. I shouldn't work at McDonald's and expect to be able to raise a family, drive a new car (especially a Lexus), or buy a big house.

 

[Wreckem]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard
I'm paid $18,200 a year, which breaks down to $8.75/hr. I live pretty comfortably off this (despite the expensive girlfriend ). I wouldn't even consider raising a family on it, but it's enough for two people to live off of if they don't expect to live the high life. Of course, my lifestyle would probably considered extremely minimalistic by most peoples' standards, since I take public transit to and from work every day, shop at a discount grocer, drive a 16-year-old car that I maintain myself, and so on. Still, I eat what I want, have gas money, have money for whatever else I want to do. I think the problem is more that the average American has an unrealistic expectation of what he/she should have as a lifestyle while working an unskilled job. I shouldn't work at McDonald's and expect to be able to raise a family, drive a new car (especially a Lexus), or buy a big house.

Correct, the problem in America is consumerism and consumption by everyday americans, not the money they are making.

 

[judasmachine]

even here in one of the cheapest parts of the country to live $8 just doesn't cut it. i'm not saying raise it to 10 or more, but about 9 would be a 'fair' medium.

 

[Jaskalas]

Any dollar amount depends on the location. In CA the cost of living is through the roof.

 

[Genx87]

Whatever the person who works for the company is willing to accept for services rendered.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: borosp1

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

What is fair... fair is getting paid what you are worth, not what the government decides you should be paid.

The problem with that statement is if there was no floor then lowlife businessman would pay everyone $2/hr and have the same argument: "if we pay more then we cant survive"....

Based on what information? 98% of people working today are paid more than the current minimum wage, because the market set the price higher. If the Min wage was erased what would magically change overnight to cause people who were working for 10 bucks an hour to be working for 2 bucks an hour?

 

[Genx87]

Why not have everybody working to improve mankind. No money. No prices.

People have even written science fiction works around that theme. Some based on the Star Trek Universe for instance.

There is a reason why it is fiction.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: fitzov

What is fair... fair is getting paid what you are worth, not what the government decides you should be paid.

What were the slaves worth?

Were slaves able to negotiate their own wages?
What a stupid come back.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: fitzov

What is fair... fair is getting paid what you are worth, not what the government decides you should be paid.

What were the slaves worth?

Were slaves able to negotiate their own wages?
What a stupid come back.

Do you really believe that a single hourly employee can negoitate his own worth when dealing with a large corporation? Who would he even talk to that could negoiate with him in good faith?

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: charrison
There is no such thing as a fair living wage. If wages are artically increased, that means prices will be articially increased that will eventually yield a net result of nothing changing.


If minimum wages are good, why not make it $100/hour or even $1000/hour, surely that will have a living wage at that point...

Whatever it takes for a full time worker to be able to live without quailifying for rent/food assitance, have health care insurance, and a decent retirement program.

Maybe some of the upper brass might have to give up there $1000/hr salaries and $400 million retirement packages, but who cares about them?

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: fitzov

What is fair... fair is getting paid what you are worth, not what the government decides you should be paid.

What were the slaves worth?

Were slaves able to negotiate their own wages?
What a stupid come back.

Do you really believe that a single hourly employee can negoitate his own worth when dealing with a large corporation? Who would he even talk to that could negoiate with him in good faith?

Why wouldnt he? What makes him or her so inept as to not negotiate? And your response doesnt have much to do with the slaves comment.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: fitzov

What is fair... fair is getting paid what you are worth, not what the government decides you should be paid.

What were the slaves worth?

Were slaves able to negotiate their own wages?
What a stupid come back.

Do you really believe that a single hourly employee can negoitate his own worth when dealing with a large corporation? Who would he even talk to that could negoiate with him in good faith?

Why wouldnt he? What makes him or her so inept as to not negotiate? And your response doesnt have much to do with the slaves comment.

Nobody said he was too inept to negoiate.

Answer my question, who could he negoiate with in good faith?

Is a company like Walmart, with 1.2 million employees, going to negoiate with each and every employee?

Get real.

 

[fitzov]

Were slaves able to negotiate their own wages?

No, and neither are people who work at WalMart. But your lack of vision, or a refusal to accept the truth, is not surprising. Labor performed by a slave is worth just as much as labor performed by any other person, so how do you explain the difference in pay? Surely not by the "free market"

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: charrison
There is no such thing as a fair living wage. If wages are artically increased, that means prices will be articially increased that will eventually yield a net result of nothing changing.


If minimum wages are good, why not make it $100/hour or even $1000/hour, surely that will have a living wage at that point...

Whatever it takes for a full time worker to be able to live without quailifying for rent/food assitance, have health care insurance, and a decent retirement program.

Maybe some of the upper brass might have to give up there $1000/hr salaries and $400 million retirement packages, but who cares about them?

You, sir, are a poster child for class envy.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: fitzov

What is fair... fair is getting paid what you are worth, not what the government decides you should be paid.

What were the slaves worth?

Were slaves able to negotiate their own wages?
What a stupid come back.

Do you really believe that a single hourly employee can negoitate his own worth when dealing with a large corporation? Who would he even talk to that could negoiate with him in good faith?

Why wouldnt he? What makes him or her so inept as to not negotiate? And your response doesnt have much to do with the slaves comment.

Nobody said he was too inept to negoiate.

Answer my question, who could he negoiate with in good faith?

Is a company like Walmart, with 1.2 million employees, going to negoiate with each and every employee?

Get real.

The person hiring? If the person hiring doesnt want to pay him what he wants, he has a choice to accept that offer or decline it.

How do you hire your employee's for 7 bucks an hour?