Inspired by Atreus: The Next Gun thread starts now, with this map:

[spidey07]

What the fuck is the point in carrying an unloaded gun?

At least we can agree on that. QUICK! Throw your gun at the bad guy!

 

[xj0hnx]

Way too many idiots and gang members around here to be allowing them to carry concealed weapons.

Yea, because gun laws stop criminals from carrying guns.

 

[zylander]

wonder how that works when the country folk go into LA, CA?

Ive been told that when the county people come into the big cities like SF they have to notify the Sheriff that they have a CCW and will be carrying in SF.

 

[bob4432]

Every state should follow the "shall issue" rule set. Allowing any average joe to carry around his tool of confidence just doesn't sit well with me. I would like to assume that every gun owner follows the strict rules and regulations every ATOT gun owner does, but I just can't. Even thinking about having California adopt a "unrestricted" rule set makes me /facepalm. Way too many idiots and gang members around here to be allowing them to carry concealed weapons.

is this your weak version of sarcasm of are you just this fucking ignorant?

 

[DucatiMonster696]

Actually, it's fairly easy to get one in California, outside of the big cities.

Fairly easy? Please let me know where and how far one has to travel actually attain a CCW license in CA? I would love to know.

As far as I know even in the boondocks areas of CA gaining a CCW involves one or more of the following (besides meeting the basic requirements of need): political connections (or being best buds with the local sheriff), fame, being insanely rich, and/or being a employee in law enforcement or the judicial system.

 

[DucatiMonster696]

What the fuck is the point in carrying an unloaded gun?

It is the only option afford to the average guy to legally carry a hand gun in CA if they can't gain a CCW permit in places such as the Bay Area or down south around LA, etc...

For the most part people who are open carrying pistols are doing so to ensure that the right is not loss due to neglect by the people of this state. Its more of a political statement when people do it. Of course any competent gun owner can/should be able to easily load a hand gun in under 1-2 seconds.

Edit: Rifles and shotguns do not have the unloaded requirement, though I may be wrong if that law has changed recently.

 

[irishScott]

It is the only option afford to the average guy to legally carry a hand gun in CA if they can't gain a CCW permit in places such as the Bay Area or down south around LA, etc...

For the most part people who are open carrying pistols are doing so to ensure that the right is not loss due to neglect by the people of this state. Its more of a political statement when people do it. Of course any competent gun owner can/should be able to easily load a hand gun in under 1-2 seconds.

Edit: Rifles and shotguns do not have the unloaded requirement, though I may be wrong if that law has changed recently.

Under stress you can multiply that by at least 3. Being required to carry ammo separately simply ensures that the only people using the guns will be the ones who have pre-meditated their use, aka the bad guys.

 

[DucatiMonster696]

Under stress you can multiply that by at least 3. Being required to carry ammo separately simply ensures that the only people using the guns will be the ones who have pre-meditated their use, aka the bad guys.

A clip doesn't take that long to pop into a hand gun even under a stressful situation and in fact in a situation when it is needed it is always better to have a gun then to not have one. Of course this is the only legal option for the average person to carry in CA since CCW's are for the social and political elite.

 

[monovillage]

Usually in Calif. checking with the County Sheriff is your best bet, since it's an elected office unlike most police chiefs who are appointed, they're more likely to OK a CCW. It helps if you've already taken the CCW courses/courses.

 

[MikeMike]

Haven't read the thread, but someone needs to overlay this map with a yearly amount of increase/decrease percentage of homicides by guns (or whatever it would be called), on the lower half of the states, and see how it reacts on each state...

I have no honest idea...

 

[duragezic]

Yep, I seen that picture before. It really looks like a huge shift in the past 20-25 years, which is great. So while there have been some ridiculous attempts and even bills passed (like AB962 in CA) for the most part it's been good.

I live in upstate NY and it's fairly long process to get a ownership permit much less concealed carry, but I have heard that just recently in the past few years that it's been possible to do in my county after taking a a day course from the police.

 

[Patranus]

Personally, I think a federal CCW law would be beneficial. Non of the reciprocity bs, everywhere has the same laws then (well they all have the same baseline at least).

Federal government bla bla bla.

How is that federal regulation of marijuana working out for states why want to regulate it themselves for medical use?

Let states decide what is in their best interest and let people vote with their feet.

It is the United STATES of America not the Federal Government of North America.

 

[Patranus]

Ive been told that when the county people come into the big cities like SF they have to notify the Sheriff that they have a CCW and will be carrying in SF.

Dont worry though, those who follow the law will not carry guns and those who disregard the law (gang bangers, hint, hint) will carry guns anyways.

The only think gun control laws accomplish is taking guns out of the hands of those who follow the law, want to be licensed, and want to be trained.

 

[Nebor]

Ive been told that when the county people come into the big cities like SF they have to notify the Sheriff that they have a CCW and will be carrying in SF.

Read the laws of your state. If they're issued a permit by their county sheriff, their permit is valid throughout California, regardless of individual city's\county's views of concealed carry.

 

[nick1985]

Every state should follow the "shall issue" rule set. Allowing any average joe to carry around his tool of confidence just doesn't sit well with me. I would like to assume that every gun owner follows the strict rules and regulations every ATOT gun owner does, but I just can't. Even thinking about having California adopt a "unrestricted" rule set makes me /facepalm. Way too many idiots and gang members around here to be allowing them to carry concealed weapons.

Do you look at CCW facts that show you are full of shit, or do you just go off your gut feeling?

 

[nonlnear]

That map is truly inspiring. Brought a tear to my eye. Now to get my ass out of godforsaken New York state...

 

[irishScott]

A clip doesn't take that long to pop into a hand gun even under a stressful situation and in fact in a situation when it is needed it is always better to have a gun then to not have one. Of course this is the only legal option for the average person to carry in CA since CCW's are for the social and political elite.

If you do it perfectly no, but to do it perfectly under stress is a different story. You may be the one being shot at, so you may have literally dove for cover. Maybe you just broke free from a mugger and are running away. Maybe you're just shitting your pants and fumbling. Unless you train constantly, carrying the ammo separate can be a big hindrance. It ceases to become a true self defense weapons and more of a "group defense" weapon, where you see the action from a distance and consciously choose to intervene.

Not saying that you shouldn't carry it as such if that's your only option (although personally outside of necessity I don't open carry), just pointing out how stupid the rule is.

 

[bfdd]

Right to carry in California? BWAHAHAHA!!!

If you carry around here you can expect to get hassled by the cops at the very least. You can expect to be arrested at the very worst.

I actually know someone with a conceal and carry license in California. He was granted it because he used to be a volunteer fire fighter for the wild fires and had to drive the expensive equipment around so they gave him one.

 

[PrinceofWands]

I actually know someone with a conceal and carry license in California. He was granted it because he used to be a volunteer fire fighter for the wild fires and had to drive the expensive equipment around so they gave him one.

Yup. Your life, the sanctity of a female's body...these things mean nothing. But if we're talking about a businesses property, well then by God of course you can protect it. *weep*

 

[xj0hnx]

Yup. Your life, the sanctity of a female's body...these things mean nothing. But if we're talking about a businesses property, well then by God of course you can protect it. *weep*

And the life of a helpless baby? The loony left likes murdering children.