Insane: Trump admin considering allowing Russia to "question" ex-ambassador McFaul and Bill Browder

yllus

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Can you imagine for one-hundredth of a second if President Obama's communications director released a statement about potentially handing over to the Russian government an ex-ambassador, an American-born citizen (Browder is now a UK citizen) and a person who helped draft a law that clamped down on Russian interests and VIPs. There would be riots.

This is actual treason. Looking like a simpleton in front of the media is one thing; considering whether or not to hand over Americans to Russia is the real deal. Holy shit how is everyone in the White House not being hauled in front of a judge this very hour?

CNN - WH entertaining Russian proposal to interrogate Americans in exchange for Mueller investigation assistance

The White House said on Wednesday it is entertaining a proposal raised by Russian President Vladimir Putin to interrogate Americans in exchange for assistance in the ongoing US investigation into election interference.

Putin raised the idea in his summit talks with President Donald Trump on Monday, according to White House press secretary Sarah Sanders. The Americans wanted for questioning by Moscow include Michael McFaul, the former US ambassador to Russia, and American-born financier Bill Browder, who successfully lobbied the US government to impose new sanctions on Moscow.

Sanders indicated on Wednesday no final decision had been made but that the proposal was under consideration.

"The President's going to meet with his team and we'll let you know when we have an announcement on that," she said.

On Monday, Putin suggested special counsel Robert Mueller's investigators could come to Russia to question the two dozen Russians that have been charged with interfering in the 2016 presidential election. But in return, Putin said he would expect the US to allow Russian investigators to question what he called fugitives on American soil.

"For instance, we can bring up Mr. Browder in this particular case," Putin said. "Business associates of Mr. Browder have earned over $1.5 billion in Russia. They never paid any taxes, neither in Russia nor in the United States, and yet the money escaped the country. They were transferred to the United States."

Trump called the notion an "interesting idea" during his press conference with Putin in Helsinki.

Browder grew up in Chicago but gave up his citizenship nearly 20 years ago and is now a British citizen. His Russian associates uncovered a massive tax fraud scheme in Russia that was prosecuted in US courts. But Putin has accused Browder of perpetrating the fraud, which Browder denies. Nonetheless, Browder was tried in absentia and sentenced to prison in Russia, making him a fugitive of Russian law enforcement.

Russian media has said McFaul was named as a "person of interest" in the ongoing investigation into Browder and related matters. McFaul was US ambassador to Russia when President Barack Obama signed the Magnitsky Act into law, imposing harsh sanctions that Browder and McFaul supported.

At the State Department on Wednesday, spokeswoman Heather Nauert offered a more forceful denunciation of the Russian allegations than her White House counterpart.

"The overall assertions that have come out of the Russian government are absolutely absurd," Nauert said. "The fact that they want to question 11 American citizens and the assertions American citizens -- we do not stand by those assertions that the Russian government makes. The Prosecutor General in Russia is well aware that the United States has rejected Russian allegations in this regard."

After Sanders' comments, McFaul wrote on Twitter, "I hope the White House corrects the record and denounces in categorical terms this ridiculous request from Putin. Not doing so creates moral equivalency between a legitimacy US indictment of Russian intelligence officers and a crazy, completely fabricated story invented by Putin."

In tweets this week, Browder denied Putin's claim that he donated to Hillary Clinton's campaign in 2016. He also noted that one of the other Americans that Putin wants to question is former congressional staffer Kyle Parker, who Browder said "single handedly drafted the Magnitsky Act that Putin hates so much."

Browder was briefly arrested in Spain earlier this year, due to his criminal conviction in Russia, but was released after local authorities determined the Russian arrest warrant "wasn't valid."​
 
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yllus

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From the Russian government mouthpiece RT.com, here's the list of people Russia is asking Trump to deliver:
  • Bill Browder (led the introduction of the Magnitsky Act)
  • Christopher Steele (intelligence agent who might know a number of interesting things)
  • Michael McFaul (once U.S. ambassador to Russia, involved with Magnitsky Act)
  • David Kramer (once U.S. Assistant Secretary of State for Democracy, Human Rights, and Labor, involved with Magnitsky Act)
  • Robert Ziff (involved with Magnitsky Act)
  • Dirk Ziff (involved with Magnitsky Act)
  • US Special Agent Todd Hyman (investigated Russian lawyer Natalia Veselnitskaya for alleged money laundering)
  • US Special Agent Alexander Schwarzman (investigated Russian lawyer Natalia Veselnitskaya for alleged money laundering)
  • US Special Agent Svetlana Angert (investigated Russian lawyer Natalia Veselnitskaya for alleged money laundering)
Apparently 11 names in total.
 
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Jhhnn

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And what legal mechanism is there to compel these people to talk to Russian investigators?

It's duh-versionary Trumpian bullshit.
 

BonzaiDuck

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Good God! It sounds as though Putin is suggesting that Trump allow the Russians to put people on trial for supporting Hillary?! For being an ambassador in State under Hillary? I need to look at a previous post more carefully, but you can see how the assertions tie in to Trump's continued public obsession with "Clinton crimes."

I'm not surprised, though. The Russians have found their foil of intimidation.
 

BonzaiDuck

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And what legal mechanism is there to compel these people to talk to Russian investigators?

It's duh-versionary Trumpian bullshit.

It certainly does fit the M O, doesn't it? But it is so totally outrageous and obscene . . . .
 

HomerJS

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We have at least one guy who is on board with whatever Trump contemplates. After all he said

"what is he going to do?"

Russia first bitches
 

UNCjigga

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Not insane when you consider that the Kremlin already picked Tillerson over Romney as Trump's first Secretary of State. They made the call and used their troll networks to shift public opinion on the picks.

This came out in the Butina hearing today.
 

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I think it's time to start printing out pictures of Mussolini's ending and stapling them all over DC.

It was only 73 years ago his facist corpse was hung up and beaten to a pulp by the oppressed masses.
 
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HomerJS

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I think it's time to start printing out pictures of Mussolini's ending and stapling them all over DC.

It was only 73 years ago his facist corpse was hung up and beaten to a pulp by the oppressed masses.
I'm in
 

K1052

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The fact that SHS basically said they’re thinking about it means Trump agreed in his private meeting to do it.

POTUS is not loyal to America. Only himself and those that have leverage over him. It’s now impossible not to think he is severely compromised by Putin. He should be removed from office and that Republicans won’t makes them complicit in this treachery.
 

Zorba

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I don't trust the GOP congress to do anything. However, I do think they would pass a veto proof law blocking this if Trump actually tries.
 

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Two weeks ago I said we'd solve this through democracy. Now I'm feeling a lot more unsettled. This is a very dark week and instead of steeling our resolve, our GOP overlords are passing laws to hide funding, tucking their tails and submitting to Hair Furou, and generally obstructing any bipartisan oversight into this shit show of and administration.
 

yllus

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The fact that SHS basically said they’re thinking about it means Trump agreed in his private meeting to do it.

POTUS is not loyal to America. Only himself and those that have leverage over him. It’s now impossible not to think he is severely compromised by Putin. He should be removed from office and that Republicans won’t makes them complicit in this treachery.
I entirely agree - Sanders soft-shoeing that it's under consideration means Trump said yes, and that they're gonna try to figure out how to sell it domestically because they're afraid of what happens if they don't.

Trump is compromised for 100% sure. Most likely it's simply the fact they he or his dumbass kids directly agreed to work with Russian agents to help swing the election - but it's got the most solid hold on the fool.
 

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When Trump mentioned the “incredible offer” , Putin was quick to interject that it wasn’t one-sided. It wouldn't be surprising that he wanted to get his hands on Bill Browder in return.

Browder’s book is an interesting read, especially for anyone that might lean towards being a Russian apologist. Or anyone that thinks there is anything legitimate about Vladimir Putin.

https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_...tice&sprefix=Red+n,aps,142&crid=3UZ3GGSOW86MM

Because Browder successfully campaigned to get the Magnitsky Act passed. Putin made up a false narrative that painted Browder as the guilty party. And he’s been trying to get his hands on Browder ever since. Luckily, the law enforcement agencies of the civilized world all know this is bullshit and they pretty much universally ignore the Interpol arrest warrants that Russia keeps issuing, although every now and then he gets detained for a short while.

It wouldn't be surprising if Trump might have agreed to hand Browder to the Russians in the private meeting. At the very least, it was the quid pro quo to the “incredible offer”.
 

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When Trump mentioned the “incredible offer” , Putin was quick to interject that it wasn’t one-sided. It wouldn't be surprising that he wanted to get his hands on Bill Browder in return.

Browder’s book is an interesting read, especially for anyone that might lean towards being a Russian apologist. Or anyone that thinks there is anything legitimate about Vladimir Putin.

https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_c_3_5?url=search-alias=stripbooks&field-keywords=red+notice&sprefix=Red+n,aps,142&crid=3UZ3GGSOW86MM

Because Browder successfully campaigned to get the Magnitsky Act passed. Putin made up a false narrative that painted Browder as the guilty party. And he’s been trying to get his hands on Browder ever since. Luckily, the law enforcement agencies of the civilized world all know this is bullshit and they pretty much universally ignore the Interpol arrest warrants that Russia keeps issuing, although every now and then he gets detained for a short while.

It wouldn't be surprising if Trump might have agreed to hand Browder to the Russians in the private meeting. At the very least, it was the quid pro quo to the “incredible offer”.

The word "incredible" actually means "impossible to believe". Trump speaks the truth & they think it means the opposite of what he said... just like he knew they would.
 

VRAMdemon

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And what legal mechanism is there to compel these people to talk to Russian investigators?

It's duh-versionary Trumpian bullshit.

Yeah..is it even legal to simply hand over a US citizen to a foreign government of a country with which we have no formal extradition treaty? If they go ahead with this stupid gesture of appeasement, how would that work? Federal marshals show up at McFaul's home and bundle him onto a plane, kicking and screaming?

The only acceptable 'consideration' going on should be determining the precise language we would use to tell Putin to go pound sand.
 
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Trump should resign before he does something he can't walk back and has to spend the rest of his life hiding in Rostov with Yanukovich.