Insane prices for 1 room shack?

MtnMan

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Weather is nice, long walk with the dog. Passed by an old tiny log cabin with a for sale sign in front.

This thing is tiny, and has been in sad shape for a long time, stairs from the street roped off with caution tape, part of the roof covered with blue tarp, etc.

Outward appearance, new shingles, and stairs down from street repaired. So I typed in the address on my phone, and was gob smacked at the Zillow listing @ $325,000 https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/331-Sunset-Dr-Asheville-NC-28804/96361779_zpid/?

Note that sq/ft is not listed on Zillow, but that was easy to obtain from county tax records, 583 sq/ft, on a 0.25 acre lot. Tax records also show it was built in 1900, and it clearly shows its age. Tax appraisal value is half of the asking price.
 

highland145

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Obviously lots of big out of state $ flowing in. Paid $98.5k for a 2x2, 1100spft townhouse late 2018. Place next door is listed for $148K..lolol. A new listing in the community just showed up for $130K. I'm not selling what I have but that's a big jump.

In other news, housing market crash...maybe.

S.C. here.
 

lxskllr

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Neat place, but not $325k neat. Add 25ac on to the lot, and I might start getting interested.
 

highland145

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Give it a bit. 2008, before the bust, we thought we wanted to sell, get some land, etc...House was appraised at $280k. We paid $75k in 1995 and added 500sqft in the attic. WTF were we thinking? 5 min from our offices, groceries, liquor store...thankfully, no one was interested.

Appraisal 5 years or so ago, $175k.

There will be a ton of peeps upside down and walk away just like back then.
 
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MtnMan

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Neat place, but not $325k neat. Add 25ac on to the lot, and I might start getting interested.
Not when it is stupid steep, which this lot is. Someone could literally jump from the street onto the roof of this house, with little effort.
 

lxskllr

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I like stupid steep. Being that close to a walk is a bit of a drag, but if I had 25ac in back, that might make up for it.
 

Red Squirrel

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I almost bought a small cabin on 32 acres in an unorganized township (low tax and no bylaws) last year for around 60k. My family talked me out of it and I gave in, and I regret it so much. I should have just bought it.

Finding land to buy right now is pretty much impossible, there is practically nothing on the market and when there is, it sells within an hour. I think a lot more people are starting to look into off grid living with the uncertainty of the economy these days and no end in sight for the pandemic.

I was seeing lot of 40 and even 160 acre plots last year but absolutely nothing this year. At this point I will pretty much jump on the first one that shows up. I may need to buy without seeing it to get a chance. By the time I drive to go see it, it's already sold.
 

Torn Mind

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I almost bought a small cabin on 32 acres in an unorganized township (low tax and no bylaws) last year for around 60k. My family talked me out of it and I gave in, and I regret it so much. I should have just bought it.

Finding land to buy right now is pretty much impossible, there is practically nothing on the market and when there is, it sells within an hour. I think a lot more people are starting to look into off grid living with the uncertainty of the economy these days and no end in sight for the pandemic.

I was seeing lot of 40 and even 160 acre plots last year but absolutely nothing this year. At this point I will pretty much jump on the first one that shows up. I may need to buy without seeing it to get a chance. By the time I drive to go see it, it's already sold.
You can choose to become an American and move to Kentucky for most of the same benefits instead.
 
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ponyo

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Obviously lots of big out of state $ flowing in. Paid $98.5k for a 2x2, 1100spft townhouse late 2018. Place next door is listed for $148K..lolol. A new listing in the community just showed up for $130K. I'm not selling what I have but that's a big jump.

In other news, housing market crash...maybe.

S.C. here.
I don't see this slowing down anytime soon. I think this insanity will actually accelerate and things will get even more insane.

When viewed through the world market, US housing prices are still really cheap when compared with similar sized cities.
 

Torn Mind

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Weather is nice, long walk with the dog. Passed by an old tiny log cabin with a for sale sign in front.

This thing is tiny, and has been in sad shape for a long time, stairs from the street roped off with caution tape, part of the roof covered with blue tarp, etc.

Outward appearance, new shingles, and stairs down from street repaired. So I typed in the address on my phone, and was gob smacked at the Zillow listing @ $325,000 https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/331-Sunset-Dr-Asheville-NC-28804/96361779_zpid/?

Note that sq/ft is not listed on Zillow, but that was easy to obtain from county tax records, 583 sq/ft, on a 0.25 acre lot. Tax records also show it was built in 1900, and it clearly shows its age. Tax appraisal value is half of the asking price.
 

Torn Mind

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Close by homes for sale.

Hmm, MtnMan might have a fine piece of equity himself if he takes walks in an area of millionaires. You got a Bentley you haven't told use about?:p

This old dog of a house sold for 290k in 2019, and it needed some serious work to make it liveable.
 

Red Squirrel

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You can choose to become an American and move to Kentucky for most of the same benefits instead.

And then if I happen to get hurt or sick, I lose it all so I can pay my 150k hospital bill. :p

I'll stick to Canada, also not as hot. Just hope something comes up soon... a bit alarming how dead the market has been.
 

SKORPI0

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$325K house for sale with other houses nearby in a much better condition selling in the $ millions. :D

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highland145

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I don't see this slowing down anytime soon. I think this insanity will actually accelerate and things will get even more insane.

When viewed through the world market, US housing prices are still really cheap when compared with similar sized cities.
I don't see how the average Joe can afford it. At least, the rates are low.
 

Red Squirrel

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Even here in Canada the pricing is crazy especially in the big cities. A typical house in the GTA is like over a million and they sell over asking price, it's insane. Not quite as bad in smaller cities like mine though but even here the prices are much higher. I have to say I probably bought at a good time, it was just before things started to go nuts. Paid 165k for my house and could probably get well over 200k now if I sold. My sister bought a house in a newer subdivision, it's not that much bigger than mine but it's newer and nicer, and it was something like 400k.

Part of the issue here in Canada is they keep allowing foreign investors to buy up all the houses so it drives up the prices. They really need to put a stop to that. Not sure if the same thing happens in the states too.
 

Torn Mind

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$325K house for sale with other houses nearby in a much better condition selling in the $ millions. :D

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It's a bit better, but not move-in ready.
It's still a fixxer-upper. Needs a new roof. Flooring might need updating...or just a heavy cleaning if someone doesn't care and wants to sit on the appreciation.
 

Torn Mind

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Even here in Canada the pricing is crazy especially in the big cities. A typical house in the GTA is like over a million and they sell over asking price, it's insane. Not quite as bad in smaller cities like mine though but even here the prices are much higher. I have to say I probably bought at a good time, it was just before things started to go nuts. Paid 165k for my house and could probably get well over 200k now if I sold. My sister bought a house in a newer subdivision, it's not that much bigger than mine but it's newer and nicer, and it was something like 400k.

Part of the issue here in Canada is they keep allowing foreign investors to buy up all the houses so it drives up the prices. They really need to put a stop to that. Not sure if the same thing happens in the states too.

The matter with Canada is that it might be big in land but in terms of major metro areas, the ones with the hockey teams are the only places that would catch an "ignorant foreigner's" eye and everything else might as well be a small town no one knows about. And there are no vacation havens for winter. With the U.S there are many more "hot areas" and education centers to choose from if one is a relatively ignorant investor. And there are some places that will never see a boom, like West Virginia. If there is a boom, it's likely because a particular U.S state of 40 million people and a subset of that 40 million eventually have a truckload of money and tire of paying their native state's taxes and spread out everywhere else that is economically appropriate.


The area I'm familiar with is the Washington D.C area. The population of the city proper is only 700k, but the entire metro area is more than that, with Northern Virginia inside the Beltway commanding the most impressive property prices, and the Amazon HQ is going to make the already high values balloon even more.

The states are so big foreign investors don't know half the cities that exist in the states. Specific states have features that make them easier for an outsider to pull the trigger, be it price, location, or potential for appreciation. By state, the big three are Florida, California, and Texas. I would not be surprised if certain cities then attract the remaining buyers, with NYC being the obvious first in line.

Technically, an out-of-stater is a "foreigner" to particular state in the U.S. Californians might as well be their own species and be domestic foreigners with the values and big money they bring in their reverse migration into Texas, Arizona, Oregon etc...

For a state like Montana, whose property values are surging, I would suspect the boom is caused domestically of course, the Californians; because I doubt it's the Canada-like weather or remote location that is attracting people out-of-state to buy there.

You Canadians had snatched up a few Florida houses in recent history. I suppose the layer of insulating blubber decreases with age. :p

The Chinese are rich and want to get out of the environmental shithole that is China, so they buy up places in California.


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Red Squirrel

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Lol yeah seems lot of old people seem to move to Florida. I think people get fed up of the cold and just decide to pack and move once they retire.

By the time I reach that age it will probably be tropical weather here so I don't see myself ever moving, except further north. A waterfront right on Hudson Bay would be pretty awesome.
 

MtnMan

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Hmm, MtnMan might have a fine piece of equity himself if he takes walks in an area of millionaires. You got a Bentley you haven't told use about?:p

This old dog of a house sold for 290k in 2019, and it needed some serious work to make it liveable.
That one is basically across the street below the first one I posted, and I also walk by it frequently. It is huge, and renovations are complete and someone lives there now. Historical preservation society was involved in that early on. That area is an historical district. Fortunately I am not, but just barely.

No Bentley, perfectly happy with a 2000 VW with a quarter million miles on it... it is a diesel.
 
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nakedfrog

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I don't see how the average Joe can afford it. At least, the rates are low.
We can't :(
Just put in an offer for $25k over asking yesterday with inspection waived, and still no dice. In theory I could offer more, but appraisers are (wisely) appraising the actual value of the house, not the current insane prices going on. In 2018, a very similar house in the same neighborhood sold for $85k less than I offered on this one. Mofos are supposed to be moving out of this area, dammit!
 

zinfamous

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So, is it actually worth 300,000% more than cheez's shack?

You know...I'm not sure?
 

Red Squirrel

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Cheap opioids off the street?

I can get those here too, there's even a downtown store front location that's a walk away from work, I find the customer service there is a bit better than the house at the corner, but the house at the corner has better prices. I need to check out the one further up that street, they have new plywood on the windows now so I can respect a drug dealer that's willing to invest money into their business.