Insane man throws grenades in Belgium

[William Gaatjes]

There was only 1 shooter. According to the newspaper, the perpetrator used Mk9 thunderflash grenades and a Kalashnikov assault rifle.

There are now 123 wounded and 4 deceased people, one of them is the perpetrator.
One senior citizen passed on and 2 teenagers...
Expected is that a baby toddler (23 months) and a 20 year old victim may also not pull through..

33 Year old Nordine Amrani was known well with police and justice.
He committed varies crimes for example sexual vice crimes and weapon possession or selling of weapons. According to the newspaper he was very fond of weapons and skilled when it comes to taking apart weapons and putting them back together.

He was expected at the justice department for a crime case but never arrived there. He caused the bloodbath today instead at Place Saint-Lambert in the city Liége or Luik.

 

[Fear No Evil]

How did this happen? Doesn't Belgium have laws against AK's and hand grenades?

 

[halik]

Curious where the attacker got ahold of grenades. Are those easy to obtain in Europe? I don't think they're even easy to obtain in the U.S.

First question that came into my mind as well. Guns are hard to get (legally) in Europe, much less grenades.

 

[palehorse]

First question that came into my mind as well. Guns are hard to get (legally) in Europe, much less grenades.

If you know the right people in the black markets, and this criminal lunatic probably did, you can buy grenades and automatic weapons anywhere on the planet.

Hardened criminals will always have access to such things.

Does that fact really surprise you? Really?!

 

[cybrsage]

what kind of mind does it take to attack children like this?

Dunno, but you can find it throughout the Palestinian areas and in Lebanon.

 

[Nebor]

How did this happen? Doesn't Belgium have laws against AK's and hand grenades?

They do, but their border security is obviously lacking.

 

[freegeeks]

Another insane attacker...


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...grenade-attack-4-killed-75-injured-Liege.html





From the news i understand he used grenades and a kalashnikov.

just for the record, it was a FN FAL

he was already arrested once years ago for illegal weapon posession and drug trafficking, they found a whole arsenal in his apartement including a LAW anti tank weapon

 

[peonyu]

The media is downplaying the Terrorist angle because of the Norwegian killings awhile back [that guy said Muslim-Immigrants were destroying Europe]. But the man in this case is a Muslim and he slaughtered / wounded a huge number of Infidels in Belgium today. All you need to look at is his name - Nordine Amrani. Amrani is a very common Muslim surname in North Africa [ie-the killer is Muslim].

For him to have access to grenades and heavy rifles I would not be surprised if he was connected to Islamic terrorist groups.

 

[JSt0rm]

just for the record, it was a FN FAL

he was already arrested once years ago for illegal weapon posession and drug trafficking, they found a whole arsenal in his apartement including a LAW anti tank weapon

 

[cybrsage]

I wonder, would an Anti-Tank Weapon registry have helped prevent this madness?

How could he have afforded to buy it, anyway? Those things are not cheap!

 

[freegeeks]

pic taken by police when they raided his home

 

[woolfe9999]

The media is downplaying the Terrorist angle because of the Norwegian killings awhile back [that guy said Muslim-Immigrants were destroying Europe]. But the man in this case is a Muslim and he slaughtered / wounded a huge number of Infidels in Belgium today. All you need to look at is his name - Nordine Amrani. Amrani is a very common Muslim surname in North Africa [ie-the killer is Muslim].

For him to have access to grenades and heavy rifles I would not be surprised if he was connected to Islamic terrorist groups.

It doesn't look like it at all. He was of Moroccan descent, but not born there, did not speak any Arabic, and he wasn't Muslim (according to the family lawyer). It appears he was a petty criminal who was about to go to jail and he believed that he had been unfairly convicted and so he went on a rage killing spree. They discovered he was growing pot at home. I don't think Islamists often do drugs.

Pretty good profile here:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...ordine-Amrani-had-grudge-against-society.html

 

[davmat787]

I'm Belgian, this kind of stuf doesn't happen very often here
the country is in shock

Condolences to you and your country. Just goes to show that there are crazies everywhere, even right here in P&N!

Hopefully the partisan bullshit that ensued after the OP rolled off your back and is seen as the kneejerk BS that it is.

Maybe McOwned will read the comments following his and this will be a lesson for him.

edit: I think hoisting a Piraat or four is in order for the victims.

 

[William Gaatjes]

The media is downplaying the Terrorist angle because of the Norwegian killings awhile back [that guy said Muslim-Immigrants were destroying Europe]. But the man in this case is a Muslim and he slaughtered / wounded a huge number of Infidels in Belgium today. All you need to look at is his name - Nordine Amrani. Amrani is a very common Muslim surname in North Africa [ie-the killer is Muslim].

For him to have access to grenades and heavy rifles I would not be surprised if he was connected to Islamic terrorist groups.

Even if that was the case, you cannot blame and hold responsible a whole group for the actions of one. When a child of 5 year old in Singapore happens to be Muslim, can you blame that child for the actions of a terrorist organization ? No you cannot. Just as one cannot blame a country for the actions of one citizen.


But while speaking of terrorist organizations, there are rumors spreading that al qaeda is planning an attack in Amsterdam, the Netherlands. If such an attack would take place, there will be among the victims also Muslims. But i can ensure you that al qaeda will just claim that these victims were not good Muslims. Which could be a typical answer from extremists groups such as al qaeda. :hmm:

What will happen is that people in the Netherlands and Europe will become more fearful of attacks. There will be a more hostile environment towards Muslims. Incidents with violence will increase. Because life is life, this will in the end increase the flow of money and support towards extremists groups. And that is exactly what extremists groups such as al qaeda want. To divide and conquer, to cause hate among people. It is in the best interest of al qaeda. This makes me think of typical guerrilla tactics. Thank you CIA for teaching al qaeda in the recent past how(Operation Cyclone)... Some of these extremists are purpose driven, some by hate and fear... But all just want power, not spreading the message...

Divide the people to conquer... History may repeat itself.

 

[cybrsage]

Operation Cyclone...they myth that the US trained AQ will never die, will it?
Even bin Laden himself said the US did not fund or train them...

bin Ladin was himself asked about US funding by Robert Fisk:
Fisk: ...what of the Arab mujahedin he took to Afghanistan - members of a guerilla army who were also encouraged and armed by the United States - and who were forgotten when that war was over? bin Ladin: "Personally neither I nor my brothers saw evidence of American help...
Fisk interview, 1996
www.robert-fisk.com (Web Archive)

http://911myths.com/index.php/Bin_Laden_CIA_links

More info here:

Al Qaida's number two leader, Ayman al-Zawahiri, has confirmed that the "Afghan Arabs" did not receive any U.S. funding during the war in Afghanistan. In the book that was described as his "last will," Knights Under the Prophet's Banner, which was serialized in December 2001 in Al-Sharq al-Awsat, al-Zawahiri says the Afghan Arabs were funded with money from Arab sources, which amounted to hundreds of millions of dollars:
"While the United States backed Pakistan and the mujahidin factions with money and equipment, the young Arab mujahidin's relationship with the United States was totally different.
". The financing of the activities of the Arab mujahidin in Afghanistan came from aid sent to Afghanistan by popular organizations. It was substantial aid.
"The Arab mujahidin did not confine themselves to financing their own jihad but also carried Muslim donations to the Afghan mujahidin themselves. Usama Bin Ladin has apprised me of the size of the popular Arab support for the Afghan mujahidin that amounted, according to his sources, to $200 million in the form of military aid alone in 10 years. Imagine how much aid was sent by popular Arab organizations in the non-military fields such as medicine and health, education and vocational training, food, and social assistance ..
"Through the unofficial popular support, the Arab mujahidin established training centers and centers for the call to the faith. They formed fronts that trained and equipped thousands of Arab mujahidin and provided them with living expenses, housing, travel and organization." (Al-Sharq al-Awsat, December 3, 2001, Foreign Broadcast Information Service (FBIS), GMP20011202000401)
Abdullah Anas, an Algerian who was one of the foremost Afghan Arab organizers and the son-in-law of Abdullah Azzam, has also confirmed that the CIA had no relationship with the Afghan Arabs. Speaking on the French television program Zone Interdit on September 12, 2004, Anas stated:
If you say there was a relationship in the sense that the CIA used to meet with Arabs, discuss with them, prepare plans with them, and to fight with them - it never happened.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/intell/ops/afghanistan.htm

Now that you know the truth, please stop spreading what you now know to be a lie. It is unbecomming.

 

[dank69]

True, but I'd be curious about whether rate of these kinds of attacks have increased over the years. It seems they have but maybe that's a product of more news coverage?

This line has been spoken every year since the beginning of mankind. Well, maybe not the very first year.

 

[William Gaatjes]

Operation Cyclone...they myth that the US trained AQ will never die, will it?
Even bin Laden himself said the US did not fund or train them...


http://911myths.com/index.php/Bin_Laden_CIA_links

More info here:
http://www.globalsecurity.org/intell/ops/afghanistan.htm

Now that you know the truth, please stop spreading what you now know to be a lie. It is unbecomming.

I prefer a little more information then just one website. And even if Bin laden himself did not receive any money directly(which i also believe is the case), the holy warriors (and not freedom warriors as Reagan liked to call them (for propaganda reasons)) where still payed and supported with US money. Al qaeda is the intermediate result of that support. When it comes to the truth, do you know what it really means ? ()

 

[CanOWorms]

I wonder if he just snapped because of discrimination and oppression due to his ethnicity. Life is extremely rough in Europe for minorities.

 

[Infohawk]

This line has been spoken every year since the beginning of mankind. Well, maybe not the very first year.

The question is whether it's happening or not. Who cares if people are saying it or not? There's always people saying the market is about to go up or down, but people still want to know which direction it's actually going.

 

[RabidMongoose]

What a tragedy...

 

[cybrsage]

I prefer a little more information then just one website. And even if Bin laden himself did not receive any money directly(which i also believe is the case), the holy warriors (and not freedom warriors as Reagan liked to call them (for propaganda reasons)) where still payed and supported with US money. Al qaeda is the intermediate result of that support. When it comes to the truth, do you know what it really means ? ()

The Afghanis got money from us. The Arabs did not. The Afghanis actually did not like the Arabs and said they were holier than thou buttheads.

The Arabs had their own money sources and did not use ours. Not that we would not have readily given them money had they asked, but my understanding is they never asked.

 

[peonyu]

I wonder if he just snapped because of discrimination and oppression due to his ethnicity. Life is extremely rough in Europe for minorities.

It cant be that rough, otherwise the "minorities" would not be floating across the Med in mass numbers every month to get into Europe.

 

[William Gaatjes]

The Afghanis got money from us. The Arabs did not. The Afghanis actually did not like the Arabs and said they were holier than thou buttheads.

The Arabs had their own money sources and did not use ours. Not that we would not have readily given them money had they asked, but my understanding is they never asked.

For as far as i know from history, these groups do not discriminate other then religion and religious views. Ethnicity means nothing to them, only the cause. If only they where not so blinded by extremist views and making use of violence, they might actually be a good thing. Preaching equality. Not who are the promised ones or whatever crap some spout...

For example there have been rumors the mujahideen helped out against the serbs in Kosovo. These mujahideen men had all kinds of ethnic backgrounds.
There is rumored there is even a CIA report about this. However, since a large part of these rumors came from the Serbs themselves, these are questionable and difficult to verify now (15 years later).


On a sidenote :
What is funny, is that Osama Bin laden had a company : Maktab al-Khadamat. This company was used as a funding mechanism for the Mujahideen. I write was, but it may very well still exist in some form or another. This company worked close with the Pakistan ISI, which on it's turn had close ties with the CIA. Now if i would be doing Espionage or supporting guerrilla warfare, i would never contact anyone directly. I would use front men and middle men to cover up my tracks. And that is just me, an armchair forum visitor thinking it up while eating my food. Imagine what people trained for these kinds of situations are capable of thinking of for strategic espionage reasons. But it is in the past for now. However, i am afraid it will not stay that way.

 

[William Gaatjes]

It cant be that rough, otherwise the "minorities" would not be floating across the Med in mass numbers every month to get into Europe.

Canofworms has given the expression "retarded troll" a whole new level...

 

[William Gaatjes]

There are now 6 deceased victims...
A woman of 75.
The 23 month baby toddler.
The 20 year old victim.
2 teenagers.
The perpetrator himself.
All did not make it according to the newspaper.