Insane Liberals Claim Kerry Won Debate, start celebrating and getting Giddy 10-1-04

[dmcowen674]

10-1-2004 Democrats Celebrate Kerry Win in Debate

Gleeful Democrats, some almost giddy with relief after weeks of carping within the party over their presidential campaign, on Friday trumpeted Sen. John Kerry's debate performance as vindication of his ability to take on the job of commander in chief.

"Last night, I'm afraid, the president looked like a man who showed up for a nine-minute debate and was terrified to find it was a 90-minute debate," said Sen. Patrick Leahy, D-Vt

"After nine minutes he'd run out of Karl Rove's one-liners."

 

[NeoV]

so he just kept repeating them.......

 

[Uhtrinity]

Don't understand how anyone can say Kerry didn't command the entire debate. Still doesn't mean he will win the election, but we can still hope (those on his side).

CNN Live Poll

People polled at CNN at least think so, currently 500,000 to 150,000.

 

[maddogchen]

There are two debates left and then the election. They're job ain't over, they shouldn't be celebrating now. Get back to work!!! 🙂

 

[element]

Originally posted by: Uhtrinity
Don't understand how anyone can say Kerry didn't command the entire debate. Still doesn't mean he will win the election, but we can still hope (those on his side).

CNN Live Poll

People polled at CNN at least think so, currently 500,000 to 150,000.

Just what do you mean by "commanded the debate" Yes he is a great debator, yes he went on the attack, yes he's like a prosecutor up there, yes he knows how to talk without bumbling his speech, yes he sounds polished, educated.

But when it comes to REAL ISSUES, I don't think he "won" anything. He disagrees with Bush but doesn't serve up any answers as to HOW he would do better. "Bring out troops home" wtf? and leave it half done? or not leave it half done and finish the job? but finishing the job means NOT bringing troops home yet UNTIL IT'S DONE. Says for alliances but not for including 6 nations in talks over NK. WTF is that not a contradiction?

He opposed Bush just to oppose him, rather than to correct him. That is NOT a win. Does no one care about the real issues? Are you all so shallow? Then go ahead vote shallow.

 

[NeoV]

element, did you listen to what was said? He said that under his plan he would start to bring some of the troops home in 6 months...he said he was for both things in dealing with NK - the 6 nation group and direct talks with NK. There was no contradiction in what Kerry said last night - though that is the Republican spin on it.

 

[dullard]

Originally posted by: element
"Bring out troops home" wtf? and leave it half done? or not leave it half done and finish the job? but finishing the job means NOT bringing troops home yet UNTIL IT'S DONE.

Transcript:
"I didn't say I would bring troops out in six months. I said, if we do the things that I've set out and we are successful, we could begin to draw the troops down in six months....[except for].. a minimal amount you need for training and logistics as we do in some other countries in the world after a war to be able to sustain the peace."

I don't see how that is a half done job.

Originally posted by: element
Says for alliances but not for including 6 nations in talks over NK

More transcript:
"LEHRER: You want to continue the multinational talks, correct?

BUSH: Right.

LEHRER: And you're willing to do it...

KERRY: Both."

Neither canidate wants to end the 6 nation talks. So how is that a contradiction?

 

[piasabird]

Kerry is a very smooth and well trained debater, but I did not see much substance from either one of them. They were both a little on the stiff side. I definitely would say that Kerry was the overall victor, but that may or may not get him elected. He still has to change the minds of people to vote for him. This could cause a 50/50 shift in some of the poles making for a really tight election that could go either way.

On a side note as they were depating 3,000 troops were planning on cleaning up one or two cities in Iraq trying to get ready for the election there. They are trying very hard to make Iraq an unfriendly place for terrorists. The president must have known this was happening and was very tight lipped about it.

 

[daveshel]

Originally posted by: element

Originally posted by: Uhtrinity
Don't understand how anyone can say Kerry didn't command the entire debate. Still doesn't mean he will win the election, but we can still hope (those on his side).

CNN Live Poll

People polled at CNN at least think so, currently 500,000 to 150,000.

Just what do you mean by "commanded the debate" Yes he is a great debator, yes he went on the attack, yes he's like a prosecutor up there, yes he knows how to talk without bumbling his speech, yes he sounds polished, educated.

But when it comes to REAL ISSUES, I don't think he "won" anything. He disagrees with Bush but doesn't serve up any answers as to HOW he would do better. "Bring out troops home" wtf? and leave it half done? or not leave it half done and finish the job? but finishing the job means NOT bringing troops home yet UNTIL IT'S DONE. Says for alliances but not for including 6 nations in talks over NK. WTF is that not a contradiction?

He opposed Bush just to oppose him, rather than to correct him. That is NOT a win. Does no one care about the real issues? Are you all so shallow? Then go ahead vote shallow.

I saw a scared and ineffective man bumble and stammer through the debate, but apparently some prople are so committed to the President that they saw the same event differently. I suppose it is like 2 people watching the same car accident and coming up with two different versions of what happened, but it is hard for me to understand how anybody could interpret last night's debate as any indication that Bush is a competent leader.

 

[Rob9874]

What's wrong with repeating "wrong war, at the wrong place, at the wrong time" 500 times? 😉

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

This is a good start, 2 more debates to go. If he can continue this kind of performance Bush will be defeated come Nov. 2.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: Rob9874
What's wrong with repeating "wrong war, at the wrong place, at the wrong time" 500 times? 😉

That was pretty funny - I thought that was the most obvious of his repetitive catch phrases. I believe I heard it 7 times in the first half hour or so.

 

[piasabird]

Whenever I hear a slick-talking man I expect to get ripped off before the deal goes through. Being a slick talker can be both an advantage and a liability.

Slick Talking Salesman are always trying to rip people off.

 

[Yo Ma Ma]

That's awesome, sounds kind of like "The Tortoise and the Hare," I hope it turns out the same, too 🙂

 

[dullard]

Originally posted by: piasabird
I definitely would say that Kerry was the overall victor, but that may or may not get him elected. He still has to change the minds of people to vote for him.

I tend to disagree with this logic. When the nation is so polarized, a canidate is NOT going to get voters to switch from Bush to Kerry (or the other way around). There are so few undecideds that they are not worth going after either. No, the way to win this election is to get your supporters to actually go out and vote.

I don't have the exact numbers for this year, but in 2000, ~51% of registered voters actually voted (source). Lets assume this was roughly split among republicans and democrats. Lets also say that this year the polls are running 50/50. If a candidate one one side could get all of their registered voters to actually vote, and the other side stayed at the 51% voting, there would be a landslide victory (66/33).

Getting your people to vote is much more likely than convincing the other person's backers to vote for you.

 

[Vette73]

Yea Kerry won. Only the most Right wing Rep's say other wise.

Public speaking, not so good

 

[her209]

Bush believes Saddam personally had a hand in 9/11. He's certain about that point and won't change it.

 

[nageov3t]

the best republican spin on the debates I've seen is that they broke even.

it reminds me of when Liberman said that he was in a 3-way tie for third place during the primaries.

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: element


But when it comes to REAL ISSUES, I don't think he "won" anything.

It doesn't even have to go that far. Kerry won simply by not looking like an idiot, a trained monkey could have pulled off a better showing than Bush.

 

[conjur]

Even listening to some AM radio talking head tonight he agreed that Kerry won the debate last night.

 

[jpeyton]

Bush - Leadership, Integrity and Morality

Does anyone besides me find Dave's signature a bit funnier than the spin he put in the thread title?

I mean, c'mon, Bush has integrity and morals just oozing out of his persona :roll:

 

[chess9]

Element:

Kerry is NOT a great debater. Good grief. Bush is a terrible debater who makes Kerry look and sound like Moses and Demosthenes rolled into one.

Kerry is prolix and often confusing. He has a tendency to talk down to his audience with an aloofness that is almost alarming. His voice is dreadful. He does look a bit like a scary version of Lincoln, but he's no Lincoln.

In person, Kerry IS very likeable according to my wife (a converted Republican) who is now one of his biggest fans. She went to see Kerry in downtown Orlando last week. 🙂

-Robert

 

[FelixDeCat]

Thats right - those crazy liberals!!! :laugh:



They are blind to fact that their boy Kerry flipflopped during the debate and Bush wasnt going to play "chase me around the tree".

 

[PatboyX]

Originally posted by: chess9
Element:

Kerry is NOT a great debater. Good grief. Bush is a terrible debater who makes Kerry look and sound like Moses and Demosthenes rolled into one.

Kerry is prolix and often confusing. He has a tendency to talk down to his audience with an aloofness that is almost alarming. His voice is dreadful. He does look a bit like a scary version of Lincoln, but he's no Lincoln.

In person, Kerry IS very likeable according to my wife (a converted Republican) who is now one of his biggest fans. She went to see Kerry in downtown Orlando last week. 🙂

-Robert

i thought moses had a speech impediment.

 

[Wolfdog]

Kerry did win by a large margin. The first debate showed just how much of a intelegence chasm there is between both canditates. It was almost hilarious how Bush made faces during the entire debate. Bush however had no inteligent response to most of Kerry's statements. He just kept on with his old tired catch phrases. I found it pointent how Kerry brought up that even Bushes dad knew better than to go into Iraq. Although the 9/11 commission has found that there was absolutely no connection between 9/11 and Saddam he still thought that he had everything to do with it. Although Kerry did miss some good opportunities to take some major jabs at Bush. Like the missile defense program that Bush has started. Which in fact broke the non proliferation treaties that were signed in good faith with Russia. Why there was no real leadership on world class environmental policies from Bush. The sad part is that the missile defense platform is being rushed and they don't even know if it will work when it is actually in the ground. The tax payer is paying how much for a dud defense system?