Indonesia Muslim Comic artist embeds extremism in the X-men

[desura]

http://io9.gizmodo.com/marvel-to-discipline-x-men-gold-artist-for-controversia-1794142015

Wow, just wow. Indonesia is supposed to be the big happy moderate Muslim country that is the true normative face of Islam. But Ardian Syaf decided to embed anti-Jewish and anti-Christian extremism into his artwork, and then claims that it is "justice."

Here's the verse:

QS 5:51 O you who have believed, do not take the Jews and the Christians as allies. They are [in fact] allies of one another. And whoever is an ally to them among you - then indeed, he is [one] of them.

The protests against Ahok are really embarrassing as well.

The guy got fired. Kind of sad that they couldn't have done a dialogue of some sorts with him to try and reason him away from his stupidity. Such a waste of talent. He probably will never work as a comic artist for English-language art ever again. I'm not sure if firing him was the right response. He'll probably become more extremist as a result, and a possible bridge and positive example with the Islamic world is broken here.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Tribalism like this isn't really extremism. You can find plenty of white Christians here that hated having a black Muslim for president, for example. It's pretty ordinary as far as bigotry goes, just animal biology doing its thing.

 

[allisolm]

Tribalism like this isn't really extremism. You can find plenty of white Christians here that hated having a black Muslim for president, for example. It's pretty ordinary as far as bigotry goes, just animal biology doing its thing.

If white Christians hated having a black president BECAUSE he was black, then those people ARE extremists. And if they hated having a Muslim president then they are ignorant extremists since we've had no Muslim presidents.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

File this one under............Meh...who gives a flying rat's ass.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Wow, just wow. Indonesia is supposed to be the big happy moderate Muslim country that is the true normative face of Islam.

How did you come up with this crazy thought?

 

[HamburgerBoy]

If white Christians hated having a black president BECAUSE he was black, then those people ARE extremists. And if they hated having a Muslim president then they are ignorant extremists since we've had no Muslim presidents.

You could probably call at least a third of the world's population extremist by this definition. People dislike being ruled by other people that they don't think represent them. Extremists are the ones that take things a few steps further and kill those that don't look like them. Pretending racism is something radical and unnatural ignores the reality that most people are born racist and have to be socialized out of it.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

You could probably call at least a third of the world's population extremist by this definition. People dislike being ruled by other people that they don't think represent them. Extremists are the ones that take things a few steps further and kill those that don't look like them. Pretending racism is something radical and unnatural ignores the reality that most people are born racist and have to be socialized out of it.

What's fun is when the label 'extremist' extends to merely those who speak out against the people/system that rule over them, at which point all those fun anti-extremist rules and values apply to any dissent.

 

[agent00f]

You could probably call at least a third of the world's population extremist by this definition. People dislike being ruled by other people that they don't think represent them. Extremists are the ones that take things a few steps further and kill those that don't look like them. Pretending racism is something radical and unnatural ignores the reality that most people are born racist and have to be socialized out of it.

Seems you're implying ~half country are extremist, not that I disagree but makes for odd linguistic usage.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Seems you're implying ~half country are extremist, not that I disagree but makes for odd linguistic usage.

No, I'm clearly stating that racism alone is not extremism, especially in a tribalist context. (Unless you think that ~half the country kills those that don't look like them, something I'm unaware of.)

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Seems you're implying ~half country are extremist, not that I disagree but makes for odd linguistic usage.

The more centrist the leadership, the less extremist everyone looks. When leadership leans hard one direction, the other half look so far off the spectrum as to be considered extremist.

 

[agent00f]

No, I'm clearly stating that racism alone is not extremism, especially in a tribalist context. (Unless you think that ~half the country kills those that don't look like them, something I'm unaware of.)

I suppose they're not physically firing the weapon, just behind/back those who do whenever any opportunity presents itself.

The more centrist the leadership, the less extremist everyone looks. When leadership leans hard one direction, the other half look so far off the spectrum as to be considered extremist.

It's also the case that when centrists try to meet conservatives halfway, degenerates can be counted on to keep moving that point.

 

[Zaap]

I can't see anything extreme in that quote in the first place. Don't take Jews and Christians as allies or you'll be (one) of them? So fucking what?

First off... its a fucking comic book. Comics are usually full of raging green monsters, evil villains, peeps with super powers etc. How does anyone possibly get offended by such an obscure thing in a comic book?

Firing people because stupid people are offended over things that in context aren't actually offensive is one of the dumbest aspects of our 'everyone is a victim' society.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

I can't see anything extreme in that quote in the first place. Don't take Jews and Christians as allies or you'll be (one) of them? So fucking what?

First off... its a fucking comic book. Comics are usually full of raging green monsters, evil villains, peeps with super powers etc. How does anyone possibly get offended by such an obscure thing in a comic book?

Firing people because stupid people are offended over things that in context aren't actually offensive is one of the dumbest aspects of our 'everyone is a victim' society.

I think it's particularly controversial because Indonesia is having some issues right now with a Christian governor facing blasphemy charges, representing a Muslim nation's capital, so people there are particularly sensitive to the idea of persecution. I agree though, it's a non-issue and silly for Western Christians or Jews to feel personally slighted. Just goes to show that boycotts and protests are not exclusively the domain of "SJW" types; businesses are simply very sensitive to controversy.

 

[desura]

I can't see anything extreme in that quote in the first place. Don't take Jews and Christians as allies or you'll be (one) of them? So fucking what?

First off... its a fucking comic book. Comics are usually full of raging green monsters, evil villains, peeps with super powers etc. How does anyone possibly get offended by such an obscure thing in a comic book?

Firing people because stupid people are offended over things that in context aren't actually offensive is one of the dumbest aspects of our 'everyone is a victim' society.

Basically, racism in a Muslim context is okay. That's what you and others here are saying.

What is most disturbing here is that...this guy was a success story, pretty talented, and he threw it all away for some petty and objectively stupid nationalism.

Just goes to show the power that the religion holds on guys like him, and if this success story can succumb to religious extremism like this...it isn't good.

Btw, everyone here should be aware of the 1998 Jakarta riots where the Muslim majority attacked the Chinese minority, ransacked, raped, killed them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/May_1998_riots_of_Indonesia

 

[Zaap]

I think it's particularly controversial because Indonesia is having some issues right now with a Christian governor facing blasphemy charges, representing a Muslim nation's capital, so people there are particularly sensitive to the idea of persecution. I agree though, it's a non-issue and silly for Western Christians or Jews to feel personally slighted. Just goes to show that boycotts and protests are not exclusively the domain of "SJW" types; businesses are simply very sensitive to controversy.

The whole culture is becoming a bunch of over-sensitive dipshits, scared of literally *EVERYTHING*. The real truth is, most people in the west lead lives so devoid of anything even remotely threatening or actually controversial to them, that they have to invent slights to be offended by. Even in context of what's going on in Indonesia- this was was a big fucking whoop-de-do.

Basically, racism in a Muslim context is okay. That's what you and others here are saying.

No, what I'm saying is it's a comic book- a piece of literature. Works of art and literature are BEST when they include controversial ideas and subjects. I'm sick of society's pussymelts trying to dumb down everything because they are offended all the time. Eventually we may as well not expect artists and writers to venture beyond Curious George and Fisher Price level stuff because boo hoo, some pussymelt somewhere will be offended by something.

 

[zinfamous]

The 2 relevant things I noticed about this:

--Wolverine is already alive again? not shocking, I guess
--It looks like this issue will actually be collectible, what with the controversy (At least, it will sell at a premium at shows, since I imagine that the store owners will gobble up all the copies that they order?--then, of course, it will plummet to cover price just like most any comic book after 1985 or so). OK, assuming non-censored issues escape into the wild? I bet if that does happen, then they will be legit $$$.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Btw, everyone here should be aware of the 1998 Jakarta riots where the Muslim majority attacked the Chinese minority, ransacked, raped, killed them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/May_1998_riots_of_Indonesia

I was working Indonesia when the riots occurred, the city and hotel I was staying in was protected by the military patrols. We never had to evacuate during this unrest.