Individual cores on a 2500K hitting 95 degrees C. Bad?

Red Hawk

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I was doing some monitoring with MSI Afterburner when I noticed something...my CPU cores were running at around 95 degrees Celsius. The individual cores, not the overall CPU temperature. That stood out to me as bad...is it bad? They idle at around 35 degrees. It could explain why my PC has been giving me periodic white screens that require rebooting my PC to recover...thought the white screens happen more often when I'm doing a low-stress task like web browsing on forums etc., not gaming.
 
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Burpo

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It's probably time to clean your heat sink & fan.. maybe use some new thermal compound.. Temps shouldn't be that high..
 

Red Hawk

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*facepalm*

No, it's Celsius. Edited. I feel dumb now.

But yes, they are at 95 degrees Celsius.
 

carling220

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Mine spiked slightly recently. Took out and cleaned the heat sync and applied paste, there was dust everywhere. The temperatures drop down a lot after that.
 

GrumpyMan

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White screens are probably more gpu related than cpu. But consistently hitting that temp I would not tolerate and would re-install the heatsink or get a new one.
 

videogames101

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95C is too high for regular operation imo. What cooler are you using? Start with a reseat/dusting of the heatsink and go from there.
 

PhIlLy ChEeSe

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If the issue was overheating the CPU would simply shut down, the white screen sounds like the browser issue most people are having using FireFox. Id re apply the TIM, 95 is high. Can you back down the voltage without an issue on the 4Ghz over clock?
Are you running that over clock with all power savings? I know on the asus P67 boards you pretty much do not have to touch the voltage except to back it down and that over clock will go automatically.
 

Red Hawk

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Well, I feel a bit incompetent.

I did change the thermal compound, put some new stuff on. I was still getting high temps though. I just upgraded my graphics card to a 290X and I noticed my case was getting REALLY hot to the touch. The 290X was hella noisy, and my CPU temps were still hitting above 90 C. I opened up the case and had a look around...then I took a closer look at which way my CPU cooler's fans were spinning. They were spinning the opposite direction of the case fan they're lined up with, and I wondered if that was messing with the air flow in my case. So I took the cooler out, turned it around, put it back in (with fresh thermal compound, of course). Fired up Dragon Age Inquisition running in Mantle (a nice CPU stress test, in my opinion) and low and behold, my CPU temps were holding at 70 C after many minutes of playing! The 290X is still hella noisy though.
 
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dark zero

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Well, I feel a bit incompetent.

I did change the thermal compound, put some new stuff on. I was still getting high temps though. I just upgraded my graphics card to a 290X and I noticed my case was getting REALLY hot to the touch. The 290X was hella noisy, and my CPU temps were still hitting above 90 C. I opened up the case and had a look around...then I took a closer look at which way my CPU cooler's fans were spinning. They were spinning the opposite direction of the case fan they're lined up with, and I wondered if that was messing with the air flow in my case. So I took the cooler out, turned it around, put it back in (with fresh thermal compound, of course). Fired up Dragon Age Inquisition running in Mantle (a nice CPU stress test, in my opinion) and low and behold, my CPU temps were holding at 70 C after many minutes of playing! The 290X is still hella noisy though.
Don't worry, AMD and nVIDIA high end cards tends to be noisy depending of the brand and the product.
 

stockwiz

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I had individual cores getting to 74 degrees C using prime small fft's and thought that was on the high side... granted it was 82 degrees F inside the house at the time.

I think that's a bit high. :)

Crashing at idle can be caused by too low an idle voltage, perhaps from having too aggressive a load line calibration setting. I set mine on "medium" which works well.
 
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steve wilson

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I'm pretty conservative with my temps. I like to keep them below 65 degrees C during Prime95 tests. This way if I do forget to clean out my PC and it gets hot it's not likely to go CPU breaking hot.
 

sm625

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lol. So the suction from your case fan prevented the cpu fan from spinning?
 

BonzaiDuck

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I'm fairly confident while no less humble that I've had a lot of experience with cooling the 2600K and 2700K chips. These would not have a significant variation in a cooling profile to the 2500K. If we launch into another discussion of heatpipe coolers, TIMs, lapping or any substantive detail about those matters, I won't initially promote it here.

Those processors all have an Intel TCASE spec of ~ 73C. TCASE is only a guideline for case design and overall cooling solutions for OEMs. There is no sensor corresponding to TCASE; the temperature that corresponds to the spec could only be measured at the exterior top center-point of the processor cap or IHS.

It is not a "bad" strategy to apply that spec to what the core sensors report, or the "package" temperature seeming to correspond with the highest core temperature. But such a strategy could also be described as either a bit too cautious, or a tad "sissy." Nevertheless, I loosely follow that strategy.

I have to speculate about what the spec -- TCASE -- actually means. I guess that it would be a temperature threshold such that one of these processors, running at a temperature above the spec 24/7/365, would experience slow, gradual thermal degradation. That is, OEMs would not want to design cases and build computers that slowly cooked a processor, even if at speeds near idle.

Now you are free to disagree with me about that last paragraph. But my point here is this. Stress-testing your computer at 80C, 85C or even higher for several hours or even a day shouldn't have any significant effect on its overall lifespan. You are simply not going to run your processor at those speeds 24/7, month after month.

That being said, I've been experimenting with three well-favored heatpipe coolers. I can clock the Sandy-Bridgers to stable multipliers with maximum detectible voltages no greater than 1.38V. This corresponds to severe load voltages drooped to about 1.35V. Since they are 32nm processors, this also corresponds to the last published "safe limit" for a 32nm processor just preceding introduction of Sandy Bridge.

The second-best cooler will limit temperatures for these loaded settings to between 76C and 78C. For the best of the three, I can expect between 72 and 74C.[see * below.] To be more specific, those numbers correspond to either LinX or Intel Burn Test. You would see maximums more like 68C with OCCT:CPU or Intel Extreme Tuning Utility (aka XTU).

Ordinarily, if I saw 95C, I might assume the stock cooler was installed, but the OP seems to be using a heatpipe tower in which two fans were working against each other.

Also, to address stockwiz's note, Most of my stress-tests occur with room-ambients between 77C and 82C.

As per the clocks (4.7 Ghz across the board), the "unloaded" maximum voltage trapped by HWMonitor and temperatures, and heatpipe coolers -- this seems to be the limit for me. That is, I could raise the voltage for a higher clock; the temperatures will increase accordingly. Even if I were satisfied with the higher temperatures, I would not be satisfied with the voltage.

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* The coolers in question will not perform that well with their bundled fans and stock installation. I suspect my mods and enhancements net me at least 5C to 8C improvement. To be more precise, I have measured the improved results.
 
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ShintaiDK

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Please stop talking about Tcase. The only thng that matter is Tjunction.

And lol@op with the fan flow issue. :D
 

BonzaiDuck

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Please stop talking about Tcase. The only thng that matter is Tjunction.

And lol@op with the fan flow issue. :D

:\ ShintaiDK! You should lobby with Intel to stop publishing it as "a specification!"

Nominally, it's "just a number" and I haven't said anything that deviates from your own explanation:

" . . . TCASE is only a guideline for case design and overall cooling solutions for OEMs. . . . "

The only point I wanted to make about it was clear: It is possible to overclock the SB-K processors to some very good multipliers without much exceeding that spec as a number [mis-]applied to the core sensors themselves.
 

Red Hawk

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Ok, this is pretty odd.

First, turns out better air flow didn't fix the issue. The CMOS had gone ahead and reset the multiplier back down to 33, without my permission. Turning the clock speed back up caused the processor to overheat again. I took the case fan from the back of the PC and placed it in the front to direct air through the PC and made sure my CPU fan was pushing air out the back, no effect. I just replaced my motherboard with a more gaming-focused Asrock Extreme4 motherboard, that didn't help. I've reset the cooler to be as sure as possible that it's tight, and reapplied thermal paste (Arctic Alumina) several times, no change. The only thing that seems to have effect is if I set the multiplier to 34, for a clock speed of 3.4 GHz. As long as it's set to that, everything's hunky-dory with temps hovering around 70 C under load. Setting it to 35 or above causes the temperature to rocket to 90-95.

One thing that's possibly causing this is that legs of the cooler are slightly bent up, potentially preventing the cooler from sitting completely flush against the CPU heat spreader. I was in a car accident a year ago moving somewhere, and my PC got smashed up. I was able to salvage a few components from it, including the CPU, mobo, and CPU cooler. The cooler seemed to work, but maybe it wasn't effectively cooling my CPU ever since and I just wasn't paying attention. I'm not sure though, since the cooler does get pretty hot to the touch and seems to be expelling hot air when under load. I've been overclocking this CPU past 4 GHz since the day I bought it back in 2012, it can't have been overheating this whole time. I guess I have to stop by Microcenter tomorrow and pick up a new cooler, see if that changes anything. If not, I'll return the cooler and look into trying a really high end thermal paste.
 
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LTC8K6

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Perhaps the voltage to the chip is higher than it needs to be?

My mobo will give my 4790K more voltage than it needs, which generates more heat.

It actually runs fine at 4.4 on all cores with a considerably lower voltage than the mobo default. It's much cooler at the lowered voltage, too.
 

steve wilson

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What voltage are you putting into the CPU? I would definitely try another heatsink. I was lucky, my friend had a problem with his CPU and wanted to try his chip in my machine, a 2600k, I have a 2500k. So I swapped out the chips and noticed one of the screws would come loose if you tried to tighten it properly. Luckily no damage to my chip, but if it had been left a long time who knows. Sometimes CPU coolers do break, it's very rare in my experience, but it can happen. Especially since yours has been in an accident.