Indictments to flow when?

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

Send her to my place. She can work it off.

 

[cytg111]

When Trump is unable to repay Putin there's a good possibility

… Well I just figured “loans” was the way to do white collar bribes in the open, while not legal, then impossible to prove, kind of way. Float you 10b i loans and default on it with a meh when you “unexpectedly” is unable to pony up.
Is this not how bribery works these days?

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

Why do loans or even bribes when you have 70+ million fools willing to throw money at you?

 

[zinfamous]

When Trump is unable to repay Putin there's a good possibility that Trump will be poisoned or some other form of hopefully painful death.

Trump, Trumpism, and the Republican Party (all one thing) remain the largest threat to public safety, health, and democracy, here in the US (and still in several countries around the world). As long as Trump is alive and ranting anti-American nonsense, he's worth far more than any bitch-sized pittance that Putin ever loaned him to forever trap his fealty.

 

[soundforbjt]

He grifted $2.5 mil just off the Secret Service protection (staying @ his properties) during his term and over $100K this year.

 

[ivwshane]

He grifted $2.5 mil just off the Secret Service protection (staying @ his properties) during his term and over $100K this year.

That is incorrect. He grifted $2.5 million of tax payer dollars.

 

[BoomerD]

Weisselberg getting thrown under the bus?

Trump Org CFO removed as officer at subsidiaries after fraud charges: report

The Trump Organization has reportedly dropped it’s embattled chief financial officer, Allen Weisselberg, from some of its subsidiaries after New York prosecutors charged him with multipl…

thehill.com

The Trump Organization has reportedly dropped it's embattled chief financial officer, Allen Weisselberg, from some of its subsidiaries after New York prosecutors charged him with multiple counts of fraud and conspiracy.

Sources close to the matter told The Wall Street Journal that the decision to drop Weisselberg from some of the Trump Organization's subsidiaries came amid discussions about potentially changing the duties, powers and title of the executive who has been with the Trump family for nearly 50 years. Despite these discussions, Weisselberg is expected to stay at the company.

On July 1, New York prosecutors levied 15 charges against Weisselberg and the Trump Organization, including tax fraud, grand larceny and falsifying business records. Prosecutors alleged that Weisselberg created a scheme in order to enrich himself and other executives at former President Trump's company with unreported income. He has pleaded not guilty to all the charges.

One of the companies from which Weisselberg has reportedly been dropped is Trump Payroll Corp., where he previously was listed as director, treasurer, vice president and secretary. The company processes payroll for Trump Organization staff. The Journal reports that Trump's eldest son, Donald Trump Jr., appears to have assumed Weisselberg's role within that company.

 

[Meghan54]

Weisselberg getting thrown under the bus?

Trump Org CFO removed as officer at subsidiaries after fraud charges: report

The Trump Organization has reportedly dropped it’s embattled chief financial officer, Allen Weisselberg, from some of its subsidiaries after New York prosecutors charged him with multipl…

thehill.com

“I’ve heard of the guy…never met him.”

“He was just the coffee boy.”

 

[hal2kilo]

Oh look here. So this is the smoking gun to get in the door. I figured she had some hard dirt.

Prosecutors shocked as witness directly implicates Trump in "explosive interview": report | Salon.com

Jennifer Weisselberg, the former daughter in law to indicted Trump Organization chief financial officer Allen Weisselberg, told investigators last month in New York that Trump personally guaranteed he would pay school tuition for her two children instead of increasing a salary that could be taxed, reported The Daily Beast.

She got a check signed by Trump for the school. Why is he not named in the indictment?

 

[fskimospy]

Oh look here. So this is the smoking gun to get in the door. I figured she had some hard dirt.

Prosecutors shocked as witness directly implicates Trump in "explosive interview": report | Salon.com

Jennifer Weisselberg, the former daughter in law to indicted Trump Organization chief financial officer Allen Weisselberg, told investigators last month in New York that Trump personally guaranteed he would pay school tuition for her two children instead of increasing a salary that could be taxed, reported The Daily Beast.

She got a check signed by Trump for the school. Why is he not named in the indictment?

Primarily because they will have to prove that he knew such a thing was illegal. I think Weisselberg is cooked because the whole secret ledger thing shows he knew what he was doing should be hidden. We might need him to flip to get Trump too though.

 

[alien42]

Oh look here. So this is the smoking gun to get in the door. I figured she had some hard dirt.

Prosecutors shocked as witness directly implicates Trump in "explosive interview": report | Salon.com

Jennifer Weisselberg, the former daughter in law to indicted Trump Organization chief financial officer Allen Weisselberg, told investigators last month in New York that Trump personally guaranteed he would pay school tuition for her two children instead of increasing a salary that could be taxed, reported The Daily Beast.

She got a check signed by Trump for the school. Why is he not named in the indictment?

i'd say they have to work their way to the top and that there will be further indictments down the road.

 

[woolfe9998]

Primarily because they will have to prove that he knew such a thing was illegal. I think Weisselberg is cooked because the whole secret ledger thing shows he knew what he was doing should be hidden. We might need him to flip to get Trump too though.

Trump has publicly claimed to be a tax expert, and specifically an expert on "legally evading taxes." Those remarks would make it hard for him to claim in court that he didn't know it was illegal.

In order for Weisselberg to flip on Trump, they're going to need to have a threat of serious, major jail time. In order to compete with however much Trump has promised to pay him for not flipping. It's obvious that Trump offered pardons to Manafort, Stone and Flynn. He can't do that any more, so I figure he's already bought Weisselberg with money.

 

[hal2kilo]

Trump has publicly claimed to be a tax expert, and specifically an expert on "legally evading taxes." Those remarks would make it hard for him to claim in court that he didn't know it was illegal.

In order for Weisselberg to flip on Trump, they're going to need to have a threat of serious, major jail time. In order to compete with however much Trump has promised to pay him for not flipping. It's obvious that Trump offered pardons to Manafort, Stone and Flynn. He can't do that any more, so I figure he's already bought Weisselberg with money.

One of the Cyprus bank accounts. Trump's old, damn memory sucks, I was going to say Mnuchin cause he was the Treasurer but I'm thinking of the old guy, Ecomomic Adviser? Anyway, he could probably give Trump clues on how to set up an account like that.

 

[fskimospy]

Trump has publicly claimed to be a tax expert, and specifically an expert on "legally evading taxes." Those remarks would make it hard for him to claim in court that he didn't know it was illegal.

In order for Weisselberg to flip on Trump, they're going to need to have a threat of serious, major jail time. In order to compete with however much Trump has promised to pay him for not flipping. It's obvious that Trump offered pardons to Manafort, Stone and Flynn. He can't do that any more, so I figure he's already bought Weisselberg with money.

While of course I would love nothing more than you to be right would such a generalized claim do much to move the needle on a specific statute?

 

[woolfe9998]

While of course I would love nothing more than you to be right would such a generalized claim do much to move the needle on a specific statute?

If Trump is claiming expertise, it might well sway a jury not to buy his "ignorance of tax law is an excuse" defense. I get your point that making a general claim of expertise doesn't necessarily mean you knew about a particular law, but the general claim taints the credibility of his defense because the jury has to believe him that he really didn't know.

Come to think of it, Trump has pretty much claimed to be smartest sentient being in entire multi-verse. I don't think he should ever be allowed to claim ignorance of the law in court. There has to be consequences for that kind narcissism.

 

[outriding]

If Trump is claiming expertise, it might well sway a jury not to buy his "ignorance of tax law is an excuse" defense. I get your point that making a general claim of expertise doesn't necessarily mean you knew about a particular law, but the general claim taints the credibility of his defense because the jury has to believe him that he really didn't know.

Come to think of it, Trump has pretty much claimed to be smartest sentient being in entire multi-verse. I don't think he should ever be allowed to claim ignorance of the law in court. There has to be consequences for that kind narcissism.

I think it would be easy to get him to admit how smart he is.

 

[woolfe9998]

I think it would be easy to get him to admit how smart he is.

Agreed. A good cross examiner could probably get him to agree that he is the person most knowledgeable about taxes in the entire country, if not the entire world. Oops.

 

[Jhhnn]

Primarily because they will have to prove that he knew such a thing was illegal. I think Weisselberg is cooked because the whole secret ledger thing shows he knew what he was doing should be hidden. We might need him to flip to get Trump too though.

It would be extremely difficult to convince a jury with testimony from the Weisselbergs alone, given their own guilt. That's not the point, anyway. Prosecutors want Weisselberg to flip on Trump like Al Capone's accountant. He'll have time to think about it while the legal wrangling is resolved.

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

RICO anybody?

 

[NWRMidnight]

Primarily because they will have to prove that he knew such a thing was illegal. I think Weisselberg is cooked because the whole secret ledger thing shows he knew what he was doing should be hidden. We might need him to flip to get Trump too though.

Ignorance of the law is not a defense. If it was a defense, hundreds of thousands of people never would have spent time In jail for breaking the law.

 

[fskimospy]

Ignorance of the law is not a defense. If it was a defense, hundreds of thousands of people never would have spent time In jail for breaking the law.

Ignorance of the law is literally a defense in this case.

You’re right that for most laws it isn’t a defense but for this one it 100% is.

 

[NWRMidnight]

Ignorance of the law is literally a defense in this case.

You’re right that for most laws it isn’t a defense but for this one it 100% is.

Not at all a defense. The list of benefits that are not taxed is very small, and they are subject to strict guidelines. I have only owned a couple small businesses in my life, and I know this. Granted, I have worked for and manager a few multimillion dollar businesses. Heck an employee's tuition paid by an employer is only tax free up to $5250 per year. It's Trump's responsibility to educate himself on the laws before commiting a crime. "I didn't know" is absolutely not a defense, not in this case or any other case. It doesn't mean he won't get away with it, but the law does not have such an exception.

 

[fskimospy]

Not at all a defense. The list of benefits that are not taxed is very small, and they are subject to strict guidelines. I have only owned a couple small businesses in my life, and I know this.

I don’t know what to tell you other than not knowing it is illegal is 100% a defense and it’s one that both Trump and Weisselberg are extremely likely to use in court.

To violate these laws you have to show intent to evade taxes and that requires showing they knew they were supposed to pay taxes on this income and deliberately concealed it. This is very different than most other crimes where knowledge that your conduct is illegal is not necessary. It sure looks like Weisselberg will be convicted because his intent to evade taxes is proven by the two sets of books but if they couldn’t prove he knew it was illegal he would walk.

This is similar to why Don Jr. was not indicted for colluding with the Russians to get illegal election help - Mueller said he couldn’t prove that Don Jr. knew his conduct was illegal.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Ignorance of the law is A defense. That doesn't mean it's a good one or one that is generally accepted in the court. But a lawyer could argue it all day

 

[fskimospy]

Ignorance of the law is A defense. That doesn't mean it's a good one or one that is generally accepted in the court. But a lawyer could argue it all day

Ignorance of the law is often not a defense at all. Like if you can somehow prove your client 100% did not know bank robbery was illegal before he did it your client is still going to prison because the crime does not require knowledge. This is not the case for tax crimes, generally.

In a lot of ways this makes sense. If you were making the radioactive man movie and didn’t know there was a special tax on puffy director’s pants we wouldn’t want to imprison you for not paying it. If you did know and deliberately avoided paying it though, maybe we do.