Indictments coming...

[Hugo Stiglitz]

There are approximately four to five parts of this investigation.

1. Financial/organized crime - money laundering, bribes, kickbacks. While serious and easier to prosecute, this is only a fraction of what the Mueller investigation is about. Manafort/Gates indictment.


2. Russia ONLY Active Measures Campaign - the part that may have nothing to do with Trump (hacking the DNC, hacking state voting systems, cyber influence operations prior to 2016). The IC was all over this before and after the election. Basically the FBI has been reconstructing the Kremlin’s influence operation. This is almost purely a counterintelligence/National Security probe and not so much a criminal investigation. This is the part of the operation the Russians were going to run with or without Trump. (Internet Research Agency Indictment.)


3. Trump/GOP coordination with the Russian Active Measures Campaign - this is where many people can get into serious trouble and it’s more politically toxic than the financial crimes side IMO. This includes the possible synchronization of messaging and micro-targeting plus all the undisclosed meetings with Russians and the coordination with DCleaks, Guccifer2.0, WikiLeaks, Roger Stone, Mercer, Cambridge Analytica, Facebook, etc. Also includes any quid pro quo between Trump/Russia like Sanction relief in exchange for election interference.

4. Michael Flynn/Obstruction of Justice - this became a major part of the investigation when Comey was fired. This is different because much of this investigation takes place after the election and could implicate many top administration officials.


You’d be hard pressed to find a more significant political scandal in U.S. history than the one we are witnessing right now.

Hillary’s emails/Benghazi or any other distraction scandal brought up the media during this period is done for one purpose: to deflect attention away from this: the mother of all scandals/conspiracies.

 

[Commodus]

There are approximately four to five parts of this investigation.

1. Financial/organized crime - money laundering, bribes, kickbacks. While serious and easier to prosecute, this is only a fraction of what the Mueller investigation is about. Manafort/Gates indictment.


2. Russia ONLY Active Measures Campaign - the part that may have nothing to do with Trump (hacking the DNC, hacking state voting systems, cyber influence operations prior to 2016). The IC was all over this before and after the election. Basically the FBI has been reconstructing the Kremlin’s influence operation. This is almost purely a counterintelligence/National Security probe and not so much a criminal investigation. This is the part of the operation the Russians were going to run with or without Trump. (Internet Research Agency Indictment.)


3. Trump/GOP coordination with the Russian Active Measures Campaign - this is where many people can get into serious trouble and it’s more politically toxic than the financial crimes side IMO. This includes the possible synchronization of messaging and micro-targeting plus all the undisclosed meetings with Russians and the coordination with DCleaks, Guccifer2.0, WikiLeaks, Roger Stone, Mercer, Cambridge Analytica, Facebook, etc. Also includes any quid pro quo between Trump/Russia like Sanction relief in exchange for election interference.

4. Michael Flynn/Obstruction of Justice - this became a major part of the investigation when Comey was fired. This is different because much of this investigation takes place after the election and could implicate many top administration officials.


You’d be hard pressed to find a more significant political scandal in U.S. history than the one we are witnessing right now.

Hillary’s emails/Benghazi or any other distraction scandal brought up the media during this period is done for one purpose: to deflect attention away from this: the mother of all scandals/conspiracies.

What's funny: most likely, it'll be numbers 1 and 4 that hurt Trump the most, even though 3 seems the most apparent (see Trump's refusal to enforce the measures Congress overwhelmingly passed). You don't need to prove collusion when Trump was stupid enough to admit to obstructing justice on TV.

 

[darkswordsman17]

What's funny: most likely, it'll be numbers 1 and 4 that hurt Trump the most, even though 3 seems the most apparent (see Trump's refusal to enforce the measures Congress overwhelmingly passed). You don't need to prove collusion when Trump was stupid enough to admit to obstructing justice on TV.

Yeah 1 will give him headache for years, could destroy him financially (his businesses for sure almost certainly), and could provide worse consequences for him. And that's if there aren't bigger implications unraveled in regards to that (sex trafficking for instance, which I believe has been hinted at a possibility). Imagine if he gets implicated in a child sex trafficking ring.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Heh. Anyone catch Carter Page on CNN this morning..... wow

video in link.

http://thehill.com/homenews/media/3...fter-carter-page-says-us-interfered-more-than

"All the evidence I’ve seen so far, Chris, indicates that there is much more interference from the U.S. government than the Russian government," Page told Cuomo.

"You think that the United States government interfered in this last election more than the Russians did?" Cuomo asked. "Why deny that Russia was trying to mess with our election? Why do that?"

"Look, I have no evidence," Page replied.

Waterboy til the end apparently.

 

[fskimospy]

Heh. Anyone catch Carter Page on CNN this morning..... wow

video in link.

http://thehill.com/homenews/media/3...fter-carter-page-says-us-interfered-more-than

Waterboy til the end apparently.

'All the evidence I've seen says X'

'Really?'

'Well, I have no evidence.'

lol.

 

[jackstar7]

That settles it. Carter Page is handling several accounts on this board.

 

[UNCjigga]

'All the evidence I've seen says X'

'Really?'

'Well, I have no evidence.'

lol.

That pretty much sums up the arguments by Trump, Trump Jr, Hannity, Nunes, Jordan, Gowdy (up until Nunes memo fell flat) and anyone else carrying water for this administration who suggests that Obama and Lynch need to be investigated.

 

[dank69]

Heh. Anyone catch Carter Page on CNN this morning..... wow

video in link.

http://thehill.com/homenews/media/3...fter-carter-page-says-us-interfered-more-than



Waterboy til the end apparently.

That quote wasn't in the video

 

[fskimospy]

That pretty much sums up the arguments by Trump, Trump Jr, Hannity, Nunes, Jordan, Gowdy (up until Nunes memo fell flat) and anyone else carrying water for this administration who suggests that Obama and Lynch need to be investigated.

It’s straight out of the Scientology playbook. (Although who knows who actually invented it)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientology_controversies#"Attack_the_Attacker"_policy

 

[MomentsofSanity]

That quote wasn't in the video

Couldn't see the clip at work. Didn't know which part they showed.

Here's the full interview that I also can't check but looks like the whole thing. I watched it this morning in awe.

 

[dank69]

Couldn't see the clip at work. Didn't know which part they showed.

Here's the full interview that I also can't check but looks like the whole thing. I watched it this morning in awe.

Haha, there it was. 6:30 mark

 

[brandonbull]

That pretty much sums up the arguments by Trump, Trump Jr, Hannity, Nunes, Jordan, Gowdy (up until Nunes memo fell flat) and anyone else carrying water for this administration who suggests that Obama and Lynch need to be investigated.

Good thing we do have evidence that top officials from Obama's admin, the DNC, and Hillary lied to courts and paid for information from Russian sources and foreign nationals that admittedly have a political ax to grind against Trump.

 

[hal2kilo]

There are approximately four to five parts of this investigation.

1. Financial/organized crime - money laundering, bribes, kickbacks. While serious and easier to prosecute, this is only a fraction of what the Mueller investigation is about. Manafort/Gates indictment.


2. Russia ONLY Active Measures Campaign - the part that may have nothing to do with Trump (hacking the DNC, hacking state voting systems, cyber influence operations prior to 2016). The IC was all over this before and after the election. Basically the FBI has been reconstructing the Kremlin’s influence operation. This is almost purely a counterintelligence/National Security probe and not so much a criminal investigation. This is the part of the operation the Russians were going to run with or without Trump. (Internet Research Agency Indictment.)


3. Trump/GOP coordination with the Russian Active Measures Campaign - this is where many people can get into serious trouble and it’s more politically toxic than the financial crimes side IMO. This includes the possible synchronization of messaging and micro-targeting plus all the undisclosed meetings with Russians and the coordination with DCleaks, Guccifer2.0, WikiLeaks, Roger Stone, Mercer, Cambridge Analytica, Facebook, etc. Also includes any quid pro quo between Trump/Russia like Sanction relief in exchange for election interference.

4. Michael Flynn/Obstruction of Justice - this became a major part of the investigation when Comey was fired. This is different because much of this investigation takes place after the election and could implicate many top administration officials.


You’d be hard pressed to find a more significant political scandal in U.S. history than the one we are witnessing right now.

Hillary’s emails/Benghazi or any other distraction scandal brought up the media during this period is done for one purpose: to deflect attention away from this: the mother of all scandals/conspiracies.

Good summary of what is actually being investigated, regardless of the Republicans attempt to besmirch the IC and FBI. It's amazing the 180 that Republicans have done with regards to our national security to protect a pathetic human being.

 

[soundforbjt]

Good thing we do have evidence that top officials from Obama's admin, the DNC, and Hillary lied to courts and paid for information from Russian sources and foreign nationals that admittedly have a political ax to grind against Trump.

Quit watching Hannity!

 

[hal2kilo]

Good thing we do have evidence that top officials from Obama's admin, the DNC, and Hillary lied to courts and paid for information from Russian sources and foreign nationals that admittedly have a political ax to grind against Trump.

Who cares if what they dug up was completely true. FISA court was told that the dossier was politically motivated, so no.

 

[brandonbull]

Who cares if what they dug up was completely true. FISA court was told that the dossier was politically motivated, so no.

The FBI "speculates" it could be politically motivated. I think they forgot to tell that the "speculative" political motivation was from Hillary.

 

[hal2kilo]

The FBI "speculates" it could be politically motivated. I think they forgot to tell that the "speculative" political motivation was from Hillary.

Why does it even matter.

 

[zinfamous]

The FBI "speculates" it could be politically motivated. I think they forgot to tell that the "speculative" political motivation was from Hillary.

you confuse the existence of a thing as actual relevance of a thing.

Thing is, none of what seems to bother you actually matters. Why the information was recovered really doesn't tarnish the fact of the information, especially if we are talking about criminal activity.

I've still yet to see you complain about those FBI agents that nabbed all those mobsters when the agents clearly showed anti-mobster bias in their personal conversations and active investigations. Oh no--BIAS!

I like how you have been pivoting away from "ObaHillaryDems are the real colluders! Uranium!" to "well, because HIllary was biased against Trump, obtaining information about Criminal activity about Trump means she was the one that is an actual criminal....because BIAS!"

You have resigned yourself to accepting that wow--Trump really is a POS criminal dirtbag, dependent on Russian interference...but it doesn't matter because Hillary didn't like him when she aided in uncovering that information.

Hey, at least you're halfway there. I wonder at what point you understand that all of your foaming anti-HiIlary delusions also precipitated from Russian disinformation campaigns?

 

[fskimospy]

Good thing we do have evidence that top officials from Obama's admin, the DNC, and Hillary lied to courts and paid for information from Russian sources and foreign nationals that admittedly have a political ax to grind against Trump.

It's odd that you keep saying these things after they've been conclusively proven false. How are you this delusional?

 

[soundforbjt]

It's odd that you keep saying these things after they've been conclusively proven false. How are you this delusional?

His “news” sources.
They keep telling him the dossier is all lies, given to Steele by Putin’s agents to delegitimize Trump.
All paid for by Hillary, Obama, deep state, etc, etc.
Each night they claim it’s all coming out and they have a secret guy from the FBI that knows all, but for some reason won’t come forward. Am I close brandonbull ?

 

[HomerJS]

The FBI "speculates" it could be politically motivated. I think they forgot to tell that the "speculative" political motivation was from Hillary.

Hey stupid. Rules say you don't name names. People are listed as "person#1, person#2". Judges were told there was a political motive for the dossier.

and BTW - just you blunt you from telling half truths, data for the dossier was paid for be Republicans first and then Democrats.

 

[fleshconsumed]

You guys keep chanting "lock her up"...

In the meantime Mueller moves to dismiss charges against Gates in exchange for his cooperation. I wonder how much Gates gave up to dismiss all the charges. I'm guessing it must have been something really really juicy...

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/r...ick-gates-following-plea-deal/article/2650138

 

[Victorian Gray]

полезный идиот indeed.

Good thing we do have evidence that top officials from Obama's admin, the DNC, and Hillary lied to courts and paid for information from Russian sources and foreign nationals that admittedly have a political ax to grind against Trump.

 

[soundforbjt]

You guys keep chanting "lock her up"...

In the meantime Mueller moves to dismiss charges against Gates in exchange for his cooperation. I wonder how much Gates gave up to dismiss all the charges. I'm guessing it must have been something really really juicy...

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/r...ick-gates-following-plea-deal/article/2650138

I’m guessing it’s against Manafort, though I’m hoping it’s about Drumpf.

 

[Jhhnn]

You guys keep chanting "lock her up"...

In the meantime Mueller moves to dismiss charges against Gates in exchange for his cooperation. I wonder how much Gates gave up to dismiss all the charges. I'm guessing it must have been something really really juicy...

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/r...ick-gates-following-plea-deal/article/2650138

I’m guessing it’s against Manafort, though I’m hoping it’s about Drumpf.

I figure it's about more than Manafort. I mean, they already have Manafort by the balls & federal prosecutors only let the bestest rats walk away free.