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Indiana Senate passes bill putting religion in science class

tydas said:
http://arstechnica.com/science/news...es-bill-putting-religion-in-science-class.ars

Very sad...not only is it just outright wrong, total waste of resources defending and fighting this concept when we have so many other priorities...
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404 outrage not found. It allows for them to talk about origin stories from different religions. It also allows for a comparative religion class. No where is any one religion being singled out or endorsed and nowhere is this required. Schools don't have to include this in their curriculum and even if they do, students aren't required to take it.
 
xBiffx said:
404 outrage not found. It allows for them to talk about origin stories from different religions. It also allows for a comparative religion class. No where is any one religion being singled out or endorsed and nowhere is this required. Schools don't have to include this in their curriculum and even if they do, students aren't required to take it.
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The intent however seems to be to have a school district challenge legal precedent. This isn't an opportunity to explore alternatives (which really isn't science in any case), but a means to his stated end. I'm not very fond of that kind of thinking.

I think that discussing religious beliefs about the origin of the universe is completely appropriate but not in the context of a science class.
 
In a brief interview, Kruse expressed disdain for evolution, calling it a "Johnny-come-lately" theory.
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Don't be fooled, this is just a step forward in creationism in class. The same way they are attacking abortion via a million small seemingly unrelated bills.
 
xBiffx said:
404 outrage not found. It allows for them to talk about origin stories from different religions. It also allows for a comparative religion class. No where is any one religion being singled out or endorsed and nowhere is this required. Schools don't have to include this in their curriculum and even if they do, students aren't required to take it.
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It allows for talking about creation stories in SCIENCE class, where they have no place. It doesn't specifically say science class, but it allows for the possibility, and doesn't specify what class the material may be taught in. Besides, AFAIK, a comparative religions class is already allowed.

Although the bill as written could be used to create a comparative religion class, its sponsor, Senator Dennis Kruse, has made it clear that he hopes to see it foster the teaching of creationism in science classes
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xBiffx said:
404 outrage not found. It allows for them to talk about origin stories from different religions. It also allows for a comparative religion class. No where is any one religion being singled out or endorsed and nowhere is this required. Schools don't have to include this in their curriculum and even if they do, students aren't required to take it.
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What if you don't believe in having and/or practicing religion?
 
Watch out for unintended consequences.

The Fox News bots will have a collective cow if some Muslims want Sharia taught in school
 
Ausm said:
What if you don't believe in having and/or practicing religion?
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That's not a good argument because knowing about what many believe is part of an education. Willful ignorance isn't responsible. That said there is a serious problem and that is science classes should be about science, period. Learning about other ideas should be taught elsewhere.
 
Hayabusa Rider said:
That's not a good argument because knowing about what many believe is part of an education. Willful ignorance isn't responsible. That said there is a serious problem and that is science classes should be about science, period. Learning about other ideas should be taught elsewhere.
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I don't consider religion science but I do qualify it as Fiction. 😉
 
Well at least they're no longer trying to push the bogus argument that creationism is a science.
 
Religion has never been responsible for the discovery of anything moving human advancement forward. This is ridiculous. The Indiana Senate is filled with morons.

khon said:
Well at least they're no longer trying to push the bogus argument that creationism is a science.
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yet...
 
xBiffx said:
404 outrage not found. It allows for them to talk about origin stories from different religions. It also allows for a comparative religion class. No where is any one religion being singled out or endorsed and nowhere is this required. Schools don't have to include this in their curriculum and even if they do, students aren't required to take it.
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Biff, Biff, Biff...I hesitiate to say this but they should listen to catholic chuch on this issue and let science be science...
 
xBiffx said:
404 outrage not found. It allows for them to talk about origin stories from different religions. It also allows for a comparative religion class. No where is any one religion being singled out or endorsed and nowhere is this required. Schools don't have to include this in their curriculum and even if they do, students aren't required to take it.
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It has no place in the science classroom, that is what the outrage is about. I am perfectly fine with them teaching it in history class.
 
Todd33 said:
Don't be fooled, this is just a step forward in creationism in class. The same way they are attacking abortion via a million small seemingly unrelated bills.
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Another interesting tid bit from the bills aurthor:

Kruse is not shying away from the potential impact of the law — that religious beliefs could become the subject of discussion in science class. In fact, he touted an amendment to his bill that specifically allows the creation beliefs of many religions — among them traditional major religions like Christianity, Islam and Judaism as well as newer religions like Scientology — to be part of the discussion.

He called evolution a “Johnny come lately” theory that only became popular over the last century in the wake of Charles Darwin’s research while religious ideas about the origins of life have been around for eons.

“I believe in creation and I believe it deserves to be taught in our public schools,” Kruse said.
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Bills like this are stupid - it's going to be overturned at some point anyway, so why even bother? These lawmakers need to be kicked to the curb.
 
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