Indiana seems to be quite progressive these days

[IndyColtsFan]

As an Indiana resident I can only tell you Mitch McDaniels is an idiot. As he tries to solve fiscal problems by selling off Indiana fiscals assets to private companies. Nothing but shortsighted policies that leave Indiana citizens far poorer and in the shitter.

But every time ole Mich does it, he gets a handsome personal kickback from private industry. If I had my druthers, we would put Mitch in jail, as nothing but a scam artist like Bernie Madoff.

And as an Indiana resident, I can tell you you're full of crap. I don't know anything about Mitch "McDaniels," but the Indiana Governor by the name of Mitch DANIELS (note his last name) has been a great governor and has made the difficult decisions. Has he made mistakes? Sure, but who hasn't? I'd vote for Mitch for president in a heartbeat.

Back to the topic at hand -- schools are out of control everywhere. No news here.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Seriously, what's up with you loony leftist making shit up? Maybe it is really tourettes. Though I am curious, could you please lay out the road map for how you arrived at your delusional assertion that I want to make Indiana into a "police state"? This should be interesting, if not down right entertaining, as long as you can manage to put together something that makes some sort of sense.

Ignore him. Mitch is quite popular in Indiana and has done a great job making tough, tough decisions. Sure, he has made mistakes, but who hasn't? And I saw nowhere in the article mentioning that Mitch Daniels or his administration was behind this, so as usual, Lemon Law has set sail to fail.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Title is wrong.

Liberal Democrats are progressive, Radical wing nut Republicans are regressive.

And then there's you, representing the third pillar of buffoonery.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

All I can say xj0hnx, if you want Mitch McDaneals in Texas, please take him off of our hands as soon as possible and you are welcome too him.

LOL!

 

[dmcowen674]

School Wants To Allow Bus Drivers To Search Students

Nope, not my child. I would move the instant they allowed this.

Hopefully this pisses Indy fans of football and basketball alike :thumbsup:

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Hopefully this pisses Indy fans of football and basketball alike :thumbsup:

It won't piss me off, because a) I have no kids b) I am not in the school district and c) even if I did have kids and they attended school there, this would not be allowed.

Seriously, folks, this comes from the crybaby that has to block people who call him on his BS and is the complete laughingstock of AT. Poor widdle Davey, everyone picks on him! And he is so gutless he has to hide behind the ignore list. LOL! Dave, you need serious psychological help.

 

[Rainsford]

You can't be that daft.

You edited so will I.

It is progressive ruling. IMO a conservative view on the same incident would state that the fourth amendment had been violated or at the very least had ruled that Citizens have the right to protect their Rights.

Progressives oppose the fourth amendment? I must have missed the memo at the last big meeting we had. Where's the eye rolling emote from the old forum when you need it?

 

[nick1985]

Progressives oppose the fourth amendment? I must have missed the memo at the last big meeting we had. Where's the eye rolling emote from the old forum when you need it?

Patriot act.

 

[NoStateofMind]

Progressives oppose the fourth amendment? I must have missed the memo at the last big meeting we had. Where's the eye rolling emote from the old forum when you need it?

Didn't say or mean to say they outright opposed it but they will/have bastardized its effectiveness. Nick1985 points out the Patriot Act as one and the recent Indiana ruling IMO points to just this type of political leaning.

I also long for the rolling eyes icon

 

[Rainsford]

Patriot act.

You mean the thing that liberals don't like and conservatives LOVE? The fact that Democrats voted for it pisses me off, but I'm not sure that makes it a progressive cause...

 

[Rainsford]

Didn't say or mean to say they outright opposed it but they will/have bastardized its effectiveness. Nick1985 points out the Patriot Act as one and the recent Indiana ruling IMO points to just this type of political leaning.

I also long for the rolling eyes icon

Considering who introduced and has argued for the PATRIOT Act (and who's opposed it), I'm not entirely sure you can blame just progressives for it. And with the Indiana thing, I still don't see where progressivism comes in...

 

[NoStateofMind]

Considering who introduced and has argued for the PATRIOT Act (and who's opposed it), I'm not entirely sure you can blame just progressives for it. And with the Indiana thing, I still don't see where progressivism comes in...

Uh just so we're clear Bush was a progressive in my mind. Neoconservative's and liberals are about equal.

No? You don't see it? Well to each their own. I certainly do.

 

[Rainsford]

Uh just so we're clear Bush was a progressive in my mind. Neoconservative's and liberals are about equal.

I guess we can base political debates on just making up who goes where. Accepted definitions of those terms don't really support what you're saying, but whatever...

No? You don't see it? Well to each their own. I certainly do.

I'm just saying. Intrusive police-like overreaction to the perceived evil of the day isn't really a progressive trait I'm very familiar with...and I feel like I would be among the first to know, since I consider myself pretty liberal. But clearly we're not even speaking remotely the same political language.

 

[NoStateofMind]

I guess we can base political debates on just making up who goes where. Accepted definitions of those terms don't really support what you're saying, but whatever...

I'm just saying. Intrusive police-like overreaction to the perceived evil of the day isn't really a progressive trait I'm very familiar with...and I feel like I would be among the first to know, since I consider myself pretty liberal. But clearly we're not even speaking remotely the same political language.

Just so I understand you correctly you think a Neoconservative is actually conservative? Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld the like? You aren't stupid and I'm sure you know the term neo stands for "new". Theres nothing conservative about them. That political ideology is opposite that of true conservatism. Low taxes stays but minimal government spending is shunned, nation building instead of diplomacy and subverting the Constitution is no where, mind you, not even close to conservatism. Now if you choose these acts as being "republican" so be it but its far from what its foundation was built on. To think that Conservatism is now linked with such blowhards as Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity and their ilk sickens and saddens me to the core. Either people don't know the history of Conservatism or they have taken the word of those who have worn the garments but have the stench of progressive liberalism.

 

[Thump553]

Here you are, evidently a leftist by your first paragraph, yet your second paragraph supports this measure. :lol:

And no, the school bus driver should not have such a "right".

So you believe it is perfectly alright for armed children to be on school buses and that the schools and the rest of the public shouldn't have the power to do anything about it, for fear of infringing upon those childrens' rights to bear arms?

I'd hate to live in your head/world-and hopefully the rest of society has enough common sense not to allow that unnecessary danger to children exist unfettered.

 

[Ape]

School Wants To Allow Bus Drivers To Search Students



Nope, not my child. I would move the instant they allowed this.

Same here except I wouldn't move, I'd fight it.

 

[MotF Bane]

So you believe it is perfectly alright for armed children to be on school buses and that the schools and the rest of the public shouldn't have the power to do anything about it, for fear of infringing upon those childrens' rights to bear arms?

I'd hate to live in your head/world-and hopefully the rest of society has enough common sense not to allow that unnecessary danger to children exist unfettered.

I did not say that. I do recall there term regarding the fallacious construction you have made there, but I forget which of them it is. It doesn't matter, really, which of them it is, the point is that your entire post is a complete waste of kilobytes for it. You're welcome to try again though, and I will be happy to answer you when you stop being ridiculous.

 

[piasabird]

Children do not have the right to privacy. Bring on some searches with drug dogs. We had inspections in the Military. At my son's university they also have dormatory inspections. If they dorm is not clean enough the get kicked out.

 

[MotF Bane]

Children do not have the right to privacy. Bring on some searches with drug dogs. We had inspections in the Military. At my son's university they also have dormatory inspections. If they dorm is not clean enough the get kicked out.

You choose to join the military. You choose to join a university. You do not get so much choice in your public school system.

 

[Thump553]

I did not say that. I do recall there term regarding the fallacious construction you have made there, but I forget which of them it is. It doesn't matter, really, which of them it is, the point is that your entire post is a complete waste of kilobytes for it. You're welcome to try again though, and I will be happy to answer you when you stop being ridiculous.

Please explain your position clearly and without pretentious gibberish then (ie, set aside your thesaurus and try to clearly state your thoughts). Let's start with this question: do you feel it is proper for minor students to carry weapons on a public school bus?

 

[JockoJohnson]

Please explain your position clearly and without pretentious gibberish then (ie, set aside your thesaurus and try to clearly state your thoughts). Let's start with this question: do you feel it is proper for minor students to carry weapons on a public school bus?

It's not proper for minor students to carry weapons anywhere. Do we start just random searches on the streets? The "thought" police are strong on this thread. We either treat citizens,children included, with decency and hope they aren't illegally carrying weapons or just start randomly stopping and checking everyone for whatever reason we want.

And your question seems a bit loaded. If he or anyone answers yes, will you immediately jump on them and say "See, then we should search them!!!1111!!"?

 

[fskimospy]

It's not proper for minor students to carry weapons anywhere. Do we start just random searches on the streets? The "thought" police are strong on this thread. We either treat citizens,children included, with decency and hope they aren't illegally carrying weapons or just start randomly stopping and checking everyone for whatever reason we want.

And your question seems a bit loaded. If he or anyone answers yes, will you immediately jump on them and say "See, then we should search them!!!1111!!"?

You guys need to look up 'in loco parentis'. I think that most reasonable people agree that parents have the right to search their children wherever and whenever they want. Schools exercise parental authority in a limited way when kids are under the control of the school, and yes this includes searches of students.

 

[MotF Bane]

Please explain your position clearly and without pretentious gibberish then (ie, set aside your thesaurus and try to clearly state your thoughts). Let's start with this question: do you feel it is proper for minor students to carry weapons on a public school bus?

Oh, the old thesaurus bit, how clever of you!

To answer your question: no, it is not.

 

[Thump553]

No one (except gun nut fringers) is talking about random searches for guns. Any such search has to comply with the law and Constitution regardless of what it is for.

I can see crafting a policy allowing bus drivers to do such a search for weapons in the appropriate emergency situation, but it is my belief that would be a last resort. In my view the bus driver should stop the bus immediately, evacuate the rest of the students and call 911 (or use the bus's two way communications) to get the police involved to do the search, and only act further if the student was apparently reaching for a weapon.

The overreaction and hysteria is strong in this thread.

Also I am totally missing the connection between the (former?) governor and this issue. According the original article this was a local school board proposal.

And how this is a left/right or liberal/conservative issue mostly escapes me, other than the usual knee jerk reaction to declare a proposed policy one disagrees with as the spawn of the infidels.

Drugs are a completely different issue. I see no compelling public safety need for an immediate search to be conducted by a bus driver. The bus driver should phone in his concerns and have the police/school authorities take over. I am not certain on the law in this area, but I could see the bus interior being considered an extension of the school premises with the school authorities having all the authority on the bus that they have on the school grounds.