Indiana seems to be quite progressive these days

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NoStateofMind

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School Wants To Allow Bus Drivers To Search Students

TERRE HAUTE, Ind. -- A western Indiana school district wants to give its bus drivers the authority to search students for weapons or drugs.
The Tribune-Star reported that a Vigo County School Corp. proposal would allow the drivers to search a student and the student's belongings if there is an immediate threat of harm or danger to those on the bus.
Ray Azar, director of student services, said the Terre Haute-based district wants its drivers to have the authority to conduct searches in case they are on the road and must immediately respond to an emergency situation. That would include scenarios where a student might be in possession of a dangerous drug or a weapon.
Drivers would have to first get permission from the transportation office and/or student services.
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Nope, not my child. I would move the instant they allowed this.
 
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As an Indiana resident I can only tell you Mitch McDaniels is an idiot. As he tries to solve fiscal problems by selling off Indiana fiscals assets to private companies. Nothing but shortsighted policies that leave Indiana citizens far poorer and in the shitter.

But every time ole Mich does it, he gets a handsome personal kickback from private industry. If I had my druthers, we would put Mitch in jail, as nothing but a scam artist like Bernie Madoff.
 
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Nothing new. Schools have always been fascist breeding grounds. Dress codes speech codes etc. Even compulsory attendance is fascist.
 
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Its bizarre to watch the whole country become extremely authoritarian on the one hand, and more socially liberal on the other. Its like a split personality that must confuse the hell out of the kids.

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Lemon law said:
As an Indiana resident I can only tell you Mitch McDaniels is an idiot. As he tries to solve fiscal problems by selling off Indiana fiscals assets to private companies. Nothing but shortsighted policies that leave Indiana citizens far poorer and in the shitter.

But every time ole Mich does it, he gets a handsome personal kickback from private industry. If I had my druthers, we would put Mitch in jail, as nothing but a scam artist like Bernie Madoff.
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LOL, you just can't help yourself can you? The thread is about bus drivers searching students, not the republican governor. You seem to be suffering from Progressive's Forum Tourette Syndrome. What a troll.

proposal would allow the drivers to search a student and the student's belongings if there is an immediate threat of harm or danger to those on the bus.
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Seems that if the driver knows there's an immediate threat the time for searching a student has passed. Pretty ridiculous proposal.
 
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As xj0hnx wants to make Indiana into a police state, no thank you from the bottom of my heart.
 
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Lemon law said:
As xj0hnx wants to make Indiana into a police state, no thank you from the bottom of my heart.
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Seriously, what's up with you loony leftist making shit up? Maybe it is really tourettes. Though I am curious, could you please lay out the road map for how you arrived at your delusional assertion that I want to make Indiana into a "police state"? This should be interesting, if not down right entertaining, as long as you can manage to put together something that makes some sort of sense.
 
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All I can say xj0hnx, if you want Mitch McDaneals in Texas, please take him off of our hands as soon as possible and you are welcome too him.
 
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xj0hnx said:
Seriously, what's up with you loony leftist making shit up? Maybe it is really tourettes. Though I am curious, could you please lay out the road map for how you arrived at your delusional assertion that I want to make Indiana into a "police state"? This should be interesting, if not down right entertaining, as long as you can manage to put together something that makes some sort of sense.
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The LL (coincidence? I think not...) is fracturing after their O'Bummer and 2010. It's really amusing to watch, nothing is more entertaining than watching them break down like they have been. It'll be time soon for another story or something to stir their base back up against the Evil Conservatives, can't have them not mobilized for 2012. Prepare for the badger pics that make them go all Full Tingle like Chris Matthews... :D
 
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While the proposal is stupid, it's obviously absurd to claim anything about an entire state based on a not-yet-passed proposal of one relatively small school district.
 
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Its bizarre to watch the whole country become extremely authoritarian on the one hand, and more socially liberal on the other. Its like a split personality that must confuse the hell out of the kids.
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Authoritarianism and leftism are not mutually exclusive. You can rationalize authoritarian policies as being "for the common good."
 
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I thought everyone had heard but apparently not.

http://posttrib.suntimes.com/opinio...utes-4th-amendment-in-citizens-liberties.html
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I'm sorry, but that still hasn't helped me figure out the correlation between the OP and thread title. Help me out?

I see how it's related to diluting the fourth amendment in Indiana, what I don't see is how any political ideology is involved. This seems fairly counter to the political stances of both progressives and conservatives.
 
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Carmen813 said:
I'm sorry, but that still hasn't helped me figure out the correlation between the OP and thread title. Help me out?

I see how it's related to diluting the fourth amendment in Indiana, what I don't see is how any political ideology is involved. This seems fairly counter to the political stances of both progressives and conservatives.
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You can't be that daft.

You edited so will I.

It is progressive ruling. IMO a conservative view on the same incident would state that the fourth amendment had been violated or at the very least had ruled that Citizens have the right to protect their Rights.
 
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PC Surgeon said:
You can't be that daft.
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I honestly have no idea what point you are trying to make. There is no need to be rude. I can't read your mind and I can't see the correlation between the thread title, the post, and progressive ideology. I can't even tell if that is what your thread title was meant to indicate.
 
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PC Surgeon said:
You can't be that daft.

You edited so will I.

It is progressive ruling. IMO a conservative view on the same incident would state that the fourth amendment had been violated or at the very least had ruled that Citizens have the right to protect their Rights.
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Thanks.

No, the original judicial decision is not a progressive ruling. It's a statist ruling. A true conservative or progressive judge (and by progressive, I'm assuming you equate that with liberal) would reach the same end conclusion, with potentially different rational for doing so. Most progressives are against kids being required to wear school uniforms and school searches for drugs because they support the right to privacy. I can't see how an actual progressive judge would support this type of invasion of privacy.

This is the problem when we toss around labels and words without understanding their definitions, or when they get distorted by those who disagree with a certain ideology.

*Edit* The only other thing I can see is that if you use the word progressive to mean "change" and conservative to mean "stays the same." In which case, I suppose your title makes sense, but that doesn't seem to be what you intended based on your posts. At best, that is a murky way of using those words in this type of forum.
 
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I find it highly ironic everything and anything our partisan hyperrightists disagree with they think is the result of the left or that the left even wants it. Believe it or not many of us on the left-and probably a vast majority of us-disagree vehemently with governmental regulation of morality.

Guns on a public conveyance though certainly raises issues of public safety. I wouldn't let anyone stay in my car if I thought they had weapons and would insist on the right to search or they are out on the curb. A school bus driver should have the same right (and responsibility). It raises real legal issues about punishing the weapon/drug posessor though.
 
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Thump553 said:
I find it highly ironic everything and anything our partisan hyperrightists disagree with they think is the result of the left or that the left even wants it. Believe it or not many of us on the left-and probably a vast majority of us-disagree vehemently with governmental regulation of morality.

Guns on a public conveyance though certainly raises issues of public safety. I wouldn't let anyone stay in my car if I thought they had weapons and would insist on the right to search or they are out on the curb. A school bus driver should have the same right (and responsibility). It raises real legal issues about punishing the weapon/drug posessor though.
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Here you are, evidently a leftist by your first paragraph, yet your second paragraph supports this measure. :lol:

And no, the school bus driver should not have such a "right".
 
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