Indiana GOP *not* focused on economic/fiscal issues, apparently

[Throckmorton]

The Politicians could solve this gay "marriage" issue permanently, by making the Fed and states recognize only Civil Unions as the legal way of being joined. You get married in a church, but don't get the legal civil union, no joint filing, no legal benefits, sorry.

This way, gays can "marry" each other all they want, and straights can keep getting married like they always have.

The only difference will be gays actually being able to tell people they're married, instead of b1tching about how they can't, and most people smiling and thinking So you got a Civil Union but aren't a man and woman, so you're not really married, but good for you...

The End.

Chuck

What about straight atheists? Would we have to tell people we're "civil unioned"?

 

[chucky2]

It's America, just like "married" gays, you can tell them whatever you want. And they get to think, and say if they want, whatever they want. That's the beauty of not being in some sh1thole country like Pakistan.

But on any legal form, it'll say Civil Union: Yes/No?

Obviously people will still ask and refer to marriage, and super fundi religous people are going to have to accept to gays telling them they're married if they work at a place that necessitates they ask people their marital status. Deal with it I say, or find another job.

Doesn't mean the fundi can't get a puke look on their face...the gay people can just deal with that too.

Chuck

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

I also said:

GOP sucks!

A few Dems suck too.

I just thought your perception of "bipartisan" was a little twisted. But hey it's no skin off my teeth. I should have kept my mouth shut.

 

[zsdersw]

GOP sucks!

A few Dems suck too.

I just thought your perception of "bipartisan" was a little twisted. But hey it's no skin off my teeth. I should have kept my mouth shut.

Of course you would. The Democrats are not in a position to stop the GOP in Indiana from doing this, so who do you think is more to blame here?

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Of course you would. The Democrats are not in a position to stop the GOP in Indiana from doing this, so who do you think is more to blame here?

Fair enough.

 

[PeshakJang]

Nobody is going to be moving to IN chasing a marginal tax benefit. That won't fall as flat however as NJ's governor coming over here and trying to entice huge companies to move to his state that has far higher taxes than anywhere else....oddly none were the least bit interested.

It's not going to make things change overnight, but in the long-term, it will lead to IN stealing some of IL's businesses. History shows this to be true.

If given the choice between a state with stable finances and a history of tax control, versus a state with one of the poorest economic outlooks in the country and a history of crooked politics, tax increases, and poor fiscal control, a new business will most likely be thinking about their long-term outlook.

 

[K1052]

It's not going to make things change overnight, but in the long-term, it will lead to IN stealing some of IL's businesses. History shows this to be true.

If given the choice between a state with stable finances and a history of tax control, versus a state with one of the poorest economic outlooks in the country and a history of crooked politics, tax increases, and poor fiscal control, a new business will most likely be thinking about their long-term outlook.

I can think of few compelling incentives to move a business to IN and away from one of the largest business/finance centers, transport hubs, and population masses in the country and do so at considerable out of pocket cost to said business.

My family business has been based here for 100 years and nothing that Indiana or Wisconsin presently offer makes me inclined to change that for the foreseeable future.

 

[BoberFett]

You do understand that people and governments can multi-task, right?

Maybe, but I'd say there's plenty of evidence to the contrary.

 

[PeshakJang]

I can think of few compelling incentives to move a business to IN and away from one of the largest business/finance centers, transport hubs, and population masses in the country and do so at considerable out of pocket cost to said business.

My family business has been based here for 100 years and nothing that Indiana or Wisconsin presently offer makes me inclined to change that for the foreseeable future.

There are a lot of businesses right across the border that are as close or closer to the city than a lot of places in IL.

It might not make a well establishment, longstanding business move today, but start-ups, smaller businesses, those looking to expand, those that may be able to more significantly take advantage of the lower taxes, generally will.

If Toyota or Subaru or GE or some other large company were looking to open a new plant, taxes are definitely a major consideration. Small businesses, which account for the vast majority of jobs in the country, would be more likely to open in a state with lower taxes and a sounder financial outlook.

You need to consider as well... larger businesses with a further-out view look at IL as a state that is in deep, deep, deep financial trouble. Who is to say that they won't raise taxes another 50% in 5 years? Wouldn't put it past them.

 

[K1052]

There are a lot of businesses right across the border that are as close or closer to the city than a lot of places in IL.

It might not make a well establishment, longstanding business move today, but start-ups, smaller businesses, those looking to expand, those that may be able to more significantly take advantage of the lower taxes, generally will.

If Toyota or Subaru or GE or some other large company were looking to open a new plant, taxes are definitely a major consideration. Small businesses, which account for the vast majority of jobs in the country, would be more likely to open in a state with lower taxes and a sounder financial outlook.

You need to consider as well... larger businesses with a further-out view look at IL as a state that is in deep, deep, deep financial trouble. Who is to say that they won't raise taxes another 50% in 5 years? Wouldn't put it past them.

States and municipalities typically offer new manufacturing sites a variety of financial assistance that goes far beyond consideration of the base tax rates. Start ups generally like to take advantage of a diverse and deep labor pool that exists in a major metro area.

The condition of the state will largely rest on how much pension and medical reform the state legislature and the city of chicago can push through in the next couple years.

 

[OutHouse]

i may not agree with the Gay's getting married on a personal level, Honestly is really none of mine or anybody elses buisiness what two people do. My personal view does not translate into a limiting rights of specific Americans just because they are a minority. sorry but that is not what our country is all about and i spit on the people who want to do this.

 

[Mursilis]

EDIT: To clarify, I think a state amendment can be reviewed but would need to violate or conflict with the US Constitution to be thrown out.

I believe that's correct.

 

[Lemon law]

First of all, as an Indian Resident, that Bush's man Mitch as Indiana Governor has been an unmitigated Indiana disaster.

But when it comes down to any idea that Indiana residents are obsessed with the hot bed issue of only gay marriage, that is a crock of shit.

Yes ole Mitch McDaniels has bought some political cred by sparing Indian from some of the current economic disaster, but that has come at the price of selling off and outsourcing Hoosier long term interests to private interests. And believe me, in a longer term, Mitch McDanials will go down in history as the the worse governor in Indiana history.

And long after other states reap the benefits of a improving economy, Indiana will lag the nation. Mitch McDanials coal train done hauled our Hoosier future away.

 

[sandorski]

Wanna protect Marriage? Ban Divorce.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

First of all, as an Indian Resident, that Bush's man Mitch as Indiana Governor has been an unmitigated Indiana disaster.

LOL! I'm glad an "Indian Resident" has chimed in. You haven't the slightest clue about Mitch Daniels.

Yes ole Mitch McDaniels has bought some political cred by sparing Indian from some of the current economic disaster, but that has come at the price of selling off and outsourcing Hoosier long term interests to private interests. And believe me, in a longer term, Mitch McDanials will go down in history as the the worse governor in Indiana history.

Fortunately, most here DON'T believe you. Especially since you don't even know the name of the governor of the state you live in! LOL!!!

Mitch has made the extremely tough decisions and cut spending rather than raising taxes. Has he made all the right decisions? Probably not, but Indiana has weathered the storm VERY well thanks to Mitch and he has the balls to cut spending unlike 95% of politicians.

And long after other states reap the benefits of a improving economy, Indiana will lag the nation. Mitch McDanials coal train done hauled our Hoosier future away.

The toll road was our "future"? LOL!

 

[manimal]

If some people cant marry then noone should....if were going to exclude anyone from the benefits of marriage then those benefits should expire for everyone else...


I have voted conservative for many years but the party I once belonged to has veered drastically away from me......


If only we could decouple religion from either party we could get somewhere...

sidenote:

did anyone see that Paul Haggis interview with the sparse details of his departure from Scientology?

This and the demonification of LGBT has been a line in the sand for many a conservative or liberal...

 

[manimal]

First of all, as an Indian Resident, that Bush's man Mitch as Indiana Governor has been an unmitigated Indiana disaster.

But when it comes down to any idea that Indiana residents are obsessed with the hot bed issue of only gay marriage, that is a crock of shit.

In fairness Mitch is very centrist and has been a staunch fiscal conservative for most of his tenure in state politics.... He has never to my knowledge cow tailed in too drastic a manner to religious and social conservatives...

While the populace at large in Indiana would probably poll very favorably for civil unions the religious right has a very long tentacles in the community and has many a local pol beholden to their support...




While there has been some privatization Indiana has done pretty well managing its assests and liabilities...

I could see much worse for a republican nomination from the field at large for president..