Indiana also debating state constitutional ban on gay marriages

conjur

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One additional thing in this article concerns me (it's marked in bold)


http://www.wave3.com/Global/story.asp?S=1670148&nav=0RZFL6Sa

(INDIANAPOLIS, February 26th, 2004, 11:30 a.m.) -- Dispute over a proposed state constitutional ban on gay marriage spilled into a third day in the Indiana House, with Democrats and Republicans showing no early signs of ending the stalemate.

Republicans want a chance to advance the proposal, saying the sanctity of traditional marriage is at stake. Democratic leaders have blocked their efforts, claiming a state law banning gay marriage is sufficient.

Democrats arranged to have a gay minister give the opening prayer in the chamber Thursday morning, and as he spoke, a few Republicans raised their heads and their eyebrows.

"Help these distinguished leaders, these patriots, these good people, these statesmen and stateswomen here today find the right balance between representing the will of the majority and protecting unpopular minorities from the tyranny of the masses," said the Rev. Jeff Miner, pastor of Jesus Metropolitan Community Church of Indianapolis.

Miner told reporters afterward that the church has the largest predominantly gay and lesbian congregation in the Midwest and performs same-sex marriages even though the state does not legally recognize them.

On Monday when the standoff began, an evangelist from northwest Indiana said during the opening prayer that according to God's word, marriage is between a man and a woman.

A few minutes after the House convened Thursday, Republicans asked for a recess so they could meet privately to discuss matters.

Meanwhile, a group of gay activist Democrats planned a friendly demonstration in opposition to the Republican stand outside of a Kittles Furniture store in Indianapolis. It is owned by state GOP Chairman Jim Kittle.

"We need to place the punch where it hurts Republicans most -- in their bottom line," the Indiana Stonewall Democrats said in a news release announcing the planned protest. They asked members to be there at noon, 5 p.m., 5:30 p.m. and 6 p.m. -- all times when local network affiliates have live news shows.

Kim Preston, a spokeswoman for the state Republican Party, said Thursday morning that she wanted to know more details about the demonstration before commenting.

The dispute kept the House virtual gridlock Wednesday, when events seemed only to widen the rift.

Republicans walked off the floor three times after Democratic House Speaker Patrick Bauer denied them a chance to advance the gay marriage proposal or bring it up for debate. Little was accomplished in the short periods both parties were in the chamber Wednesday.

Republicans accused Bauer of arrogance, but the speaker defended his actions, saying floor debate over gay marriage could last for hours and turn ugly.

Gov. Joe Kernan backed his Democratic colleagues in the House, saying state law already bans gay marriage, and he accused Republicans of stalling action on other matters.

"If the plan is for them to stay out for the next eight days, between now and the scheduled end of the session, then they ought to quit wasting taxpayers' money and just go home tonight," Kernan said Wednesday.

Democrats claimed that dozens of bills were derailed since Wednesday was the deadline for House and Senate to amend bills from the other chamber. But Republicans said they considered the bills alive because Bauer could simply move back the deadline.

It was arguable how much was really at stake, since several major proposals passed by each chamber already have been rejected in the other. Technically, any bill that passes one house can be revived in conference committee negotiations next week.

After the third walkout, Wednesday evening, the House adjourned until 10 a.m. EST Thursday.

The House, which Democrats control 51-49, came to a standstill Monday as Republicans sought a vote to override Bauer's decision to shelve the proposed amendment. It had passed with bipartisan support in the GOP-controlled Senate.


(Copyright 2004 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.)
 

Moonbeam

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Bigotry is inculcated by great force and pain as children. When bigotry is challenged that pain threatens to come to the fore. That brings up rage and hate in bigots. They have to push their bigotry to stop the pain. But the pain is over. It happened long ago. There is only the pain of remembering.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Bigotry is inculcated by great force and pain as children. When bigotry is challenged that pain threatens to come to the fore. That brings up rage and hate in bigots. They have to push their bigotry to stop the pain. But the pain is over. It happened long ago. There is only the pain of remembering.
You can't force change on those not ready for it Moonie. At least those states can reverse themselves in the future where as if the Dub and his Fund A Mental Case Minions have their way and Ammend the Constitution that will then take aways the States right to change their minds in the Future if they eventually do become ready for the change!

 

Moonbeam

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Bigotry is inculcated by great force and pain as children. When bigotry is challenged that pain threatens to come to the fore. That brings up rage and hate in bigots. They have to push their bigotry to stop the pain. But the pain is over. It happened long ago. There is only the pain of remembering.
You can't force change on those not ready for it Moonie. At least those states can reverse themselves in the future where as if the Dub and his Fund A Mental Case Minions have their way and Ammend the Constitution that will then take aways the States right to change their minds in the Future if they eventually do become ready for the change!

I prefer the Supreme Court delcare banning gay marriage to be unconstitutional. Then we can vote on whether we want an unconstitutional ammendment. While were at it we can vote for a one time redistribution of the wealth of the rich also as an ammendment just to generate interest in the election.
 

YellowRose

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I thought I would bring this to everyones attention because I know everyone would like to finall understand it.

The Homosexual Agenda
>
> Many of you have heard Dr. Laura, Pat Robertson,
> Jerry Falwell, and others speak of the "Homosexual
> Agenda," but no one has ever seen a copy of it.
> Since they are all so concerned about the
> "Homosexual Agenda", I thought it might be helpful
> to have a copy so I asked a friend of mine, who
> recently obtained a copy of the Homosexual Agenda
> directly from the Head Homosexual if he would send
> me a copy. He did and now I am sharing it with all
> of you. I certainly hope it will assist you so that
> you will be prepared.....
>
> The Homosexual Agenda
>
> 6:00 am Gym
>
> 8:00 am Breakfast
>
> 9:00 am Hair appointment
>
> 10:00 am Shopping (preferably at Nordstrom's or
> Saks)
>
> 12:00 pm Brunch
>
> 2:00 pm
>
> (1) assume complete control of the U.S. Federal,
> state, and local governments, as well as all other
> forms of world government and abolish the UN

> (2) increase funding for education

> (3)reinstate Arts ( music, theater, art) programs in all schools also mandatory training in etiquette

> (4) rebuild Americas highways and bridges

> (5) institute a flat tax for individuals and business and do away with all of the tax loopholes and tricks.

> (6) be fabulous

>
> 2:30 pm Mud mask and forty winks of beauty rest to prevent facial wrinkles from the stress of world
> conquest
>
> 4:00 pm Cocktails
>
> 6:00 pm Light Dinner (soup, salad with romaine, radicchio, arugula, and balsamic vinaigrette dressing)
>
> 8:00 pm Theater
>
> 10:30 pm "Do a little dance, make a little love, get
> down tonight!"
>

2:00 am Breakfast.


Hope this settles things.
 

dmcowen674

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Just an FYI.

Changing the Georgia Constitution to add making Gay Weddings Illegal is their Top Priorty this session, that's all they talk about.
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sandorski

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Originally posted by: YellowRose
I thought I would bring this to everyones attention because I know everyone would like to finall understand it.

The Homosexual Agenda
> > Many of you have heard Dr. Laura, Pat Robertson,
> Jerry Falwell, and others speak of the "Homosexual
> Agenda," but no one has ever seen a copy of it.
> Since they are all so concerned about the
> "Homosexual Agenda", I thought it might be helpful
> to have a copy so I asked a friend of mine, who
> recently obtained a copy of the Homosexual Agenda
> directly from the Head Homosexual if he would send
> me a copy. He did and now I am sharing it with all
> of you. I certainly hope it will assist you so that
> you will be prepared.....
> > The Homosexual Agenda
> > 6:00 am Gym
> > 8:00 am Breakfast
> > 9:00 am Hair appointment
> > 10:00 am Shopping (preferably at Nordstrom's or
> Saks)
> > 12:00 pm Brunch
> > 2:00 pm
> > (1) assume complete control of the U.S. Federal,
> state, and local governments, as well as all other
> forms of world government and abolish the UN

> (2) increase funding for education

> (3)reinstate Arts ( music, theater, art) programs in all schools also mandatory training in etiquette

> (4) rebuild Americas highways and bridges

> (5) institute a flat tax for individuals and business and do away with all of the tax loopholes and tricks.

> (6) be fabulous

> > 2:30 pm Mud mask and forty winks of beauty rest to prevent facial wrinkles from the stress of world
> conquest
> > 4:00 pm Cocktails
> > 6:00 pm Light Dinner (soup, salad with romaine, radicchio, arugula, and balsamic vinaigrette dressing)
> > 8:00 pm Theater
> > 10:30 pm "Do a little dance, make a little love, get
> down tonight!"
> 2:00 am Breakfast.


Hope this settles things.

hehe
 

LunarRay

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Would it be OK for a man who has a sex change operation to marry a man? Would he then be a female and all is OK on the same sex score?
 

LunarRay

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YellowRose,
thought I would bring this to everyones attention because I know everyone would like to finall understand it.

The Homosexual Agenda (...)

The women of the US do this already... or could or should.. :)