Indian High Court rules that the right to abort a pregnancy rests with wife

[tommo123]

He is certainly free to give up his right to be in the childs life. But financially he cant. Children dont fund themselves. Raising a child is a 50/50 split or should be financially.

i dont agree as the decision to have the child is 100% the mothers. not a 50/50 split. i wonder if the kid got sick and needed something from the father if there was any legal obligation on him to donate?

 

[Texashiker]

Who cares if it is not equal?

Being equal is something women have worked for - equal pay, voting rights, abortion,,,, I just want those same rights for men

In this context a child is being carried by the women. It is her body to decide if she wants to abort. You cant force somebody to get an abortion.

Sure the state can force a woman to get an abortion, just like the state puts people in jail for not paying child support.

Talk about crushing personal liberty and rights.

Pot calling the kettle black dont you think?

Its ok for a woman to have an abortion, but society is going to force responsibility upon the father?

If anything, not allowing the man to force the woman to have an abortion is "crushing personal liberty" of the male.

The man in this context made his bed, now he has to lay in it. That means support his child until they turn 18.

So did the woman. She got knocked up, so she should be held responsible for her actions.

His chance to opt out of this arrangement happened the night he decided if he should or shouldnt sleep with her.

The same goes for the woman.

She opted out when she spread her legs.

Womens rights organizations have worked for equal rights for decades, I just want the same thing for men.

If women have the right to terminate an unwanted pregnancy, then men should have the same right.

 

[Genx87]

Being equal is something women have worked for - equal pay, voting rights, abortion,,,, I just want those same rights for men

What rights are you fighting for here? The right to shirk our responsibilities to be a father????

Sure the state can force a woman to get an abortion, just like the state puts people in jail for not paying child support.

We stopped that practice nearly 50 years ago when we finally dropped our eugenics laws from the early 20th century. So no, a court cant force a woman to have an abortion.

Pot calling the kettle black dont you think?

Its ok for a woman to have an abortion, but society is going to force responsibility upon the father?

If anything, not allowing the man to force the woman to have an abortion is "crushing personal liberty" of the male.

The personal liberty of the male waved bye bye long before the baby was born. His right to get out of this arrangement happened when he decided to engage in sexual relations with the mother.

There is no right to be a deadbeat father in this country.

So did the woman. She got knocked up, so she should be held responsible for her actions.

She is, who do you think will take care of the child for 18 years in most cases?

The same goes for the woman.

She opted out when she spread her legs.

Absolutely and when she decided to continue the pregnancy she again opted in on raising a child until they are 18 years of age.

Womens rights organizations have worked for equal rights for decades, I just want the same thing for men.

If women have the right to terminate an unwanted pregnancy, then men should have the same right.

Again what rights are you trying to gain? From what I can tell you are fighting for the right for men to be dead beat fathers. People who run around creating babies and dont have to pay for them. Or even more unfathomable. Allowing men to tell a woman she has to have an abortion. Which is such a blatent disregard of personal freedom I dont even know where to start.

 

[fskimospy]

If women have the right to terminate an unwanted pregnancy, then men should have the same right.

This is seriously an insane thing to say. Can you point to any other part of American law (or foreign law that's not barbaric) where a citizen can force another citizen to undergo an unwanted medical procedure simply due to their situational preference?

Maybe the woman doesn't want to get pregnant to begin with, should she be able to force the man to get a vasectomy? What about how one spouse can be financially saddled with caring for the other? Should they be able to force them to undergo unwanted surgeries, chemotherapy, etc?

 

[Texashiker]

What rights are you fighting for here? The right to shirk our responsibilities to be a father????

By having an abortion, the woman is "shirking" her responsibility to be a mother.

Or even more unfathomable. Allowing men to tell a woman she has to have an abortion. Which is such a blatent disregard of personal freedom I dont even know where to start.

"blatent disregard of personal freedom"??? That is laughable.

A woman can skirt her responsibility by having an abortion. The father should have the same rights.

 

[Genx87]

i dont agree as the decision to have the child is 100% the mothers. not a 50/50 split. i wonder if the kid got sick and needed something from the father if there was any legal obligation on him to donate?

And so what? Most fathers legal and financial obligations are spelled out in a judgement. Anything above and beyond is usually welcomed.

 

[Genx87]

By having an abortion, the mother is "shirking" her responsibility to be a mother.

Ok, so what?

 

[Jaskalas]

By having an abortion, the woman is "shirking" her responsibility to be a mother.

Ok, so what?

You deny men the same right.

 

[Texashiker]

Ok, so what?

Ok, so the father should have the same right.

Equal rights for both parties involved.

 

[Genx87]

Ok, so the father should have the same right.

Equal rights for both parties involved.

Except one is financial and the other forcing a medical procedure against their will. I cant believe you cant see the difference.

 

[Genx87]

You deny men the same right.

The right to force a medical procedure on somebody else?

 

[Texashiker]

The right to force a medical procedure on somebody else?

Isn't abortion forcing a medical procedure on the fetus?

What about partial birth abortions? Isn't that forcing a medical procedure on a baby that had been partially born?

 

[Genx87]

Isn't abortion forcing a medical procedure on the fetus?

What about partial birth abortions? Isn't that forcing a medical procedure on a baby that had been partially born?

Sure it is but that is a completely different dicussion. We are discussing a man and his right to force a woman to have an abortion or not be forced to pay child support if he wants her to have an abortion and she wont.

 

[Jaskalas]

You deny men the same right.

The right to force a medical procedure on somebody else?

Hyperbole.

The man doesn't need an abortion, just the right not to pay for the woman's decision to keep the child. Then they would both have an equal right to absolve themselves of the responsibility of conception.

 

[Texashiker]

Sure it is but that is a completely different dicussion.

No, it is not a different discussion.

If a man can not force a woman to have an abortion, then the woman should not be able to force the fetus to have an unwanted procedure.

 

[heymrdj]

This is seriously an insane thing to say. Can you point to any other part of American law (or foreign law that's not barbaric) where a citizen can force another citizen to undergo an unwanted medical procedure simply due to their situational preference?

Maybe the woman doesn't want to get pregnant to begin with, should she be able to force the man to get a vasectomy? What about how one spouse can be financially saddled with caring for the other? Should they be able to force them to undergo unwanted surgeries, chemotherapy, etc?

Just saying..I was circumsised without a say in the matter . According to the SS# given at birth and the certificate, I was already a US citien .

 

[Genx87]

Hyperbole.

The man doesn't need an abortion, just the right not to pay for the woman's decision to keep the child. Then they would both have an equal right to absolve themselves of the responsibility of conception.

Just wont happen. A man makes his decision to enter into this scenario when he has sex with the woman. And until men can carry a baby to full term, the responsibility for both involved wont change.

 

[Texashiker]

Just wont happen. A man makes his decision to enter into this scenario when he has sex with the woman. And until men can carry a baby to full term, the responsibility for both involved wont change.

The woman has the right to opt out, men should have the same right, and not just financially.

 

[Genx87]

No, it is not a different discussion.

If a man can not force a woman to have an abortion, then the woman should not be able to force the fetus to have an unwanted procedure.

You are conflating two seperate issues here and moving the goal posts.

 

[Genx87]

The woman has the right to opt out, men should have the same right.

Men have that right. It is when they decide to sleep with a woman. The risk is pregnancy and the financial ramifications there after.

 

[fskimospy]

Just saying..I was circumsised without a say in the matter . According to the SS# given at birth and the certificate, I was already a US citien .

Actually you're right. Parents can force their children to undergo medical procedures. (what kid would ever get a shot if they didn't?) Parents have an enormous amount of control over their children, and with good reason. I was thinking of two adults though.

(that being said, I have always thought that circumcision at that age was wrong, but that's an entirely separate discussion)

 

[fskimospy]

Ok, so the father should have the same right.

Equal rights for both parties involved.

This is seriously so goddamn creepy.

How are you going to force the woman to do this, anyway? Are you going to be dragging women kicking and screaming into the operating room, sedating them, and then forcibly aborting their child?

 

[Texashiker]

You are conflating two seperate issues here and moving the goal posts.

They are not two separate issues.

You just do not want to confront the issue that abortion of the fetus is the same as a man forcing an unwanted procedure upon a woman.

How would the woman feel if the man took her down to the clinic, put her in a chair, and told the doctor to kill the fetus inside her? But its ok for a woman to kill the fetus?

Men have that right. It is when they decide to sleep with a woman. The risk is pregnancy and the financial ramifications there after.

Then the same should go for women. If a woman has the right to skirt her responsibilities with an abortion, so should a man have those same rights.

How are you going to force the woman to do this, anyway? Are you going to be dragging women kicking and screaming into the operating room, sedating them, and then forcibly aborting their child?

Do whatever it takes to ensure men have equal rights as women.

Police go to the womans house, arrest her, take her to the clinic,,,, whatever it takes.

<in case you have not noticed, my stance is anti-abortion, but instead of trying to take womens rights away, just argue that the same rights should be extended to the fathers>

 

[Genx87]

This is seriously so goddamn creepy.

How are you going to force the woman to do this, anyway? Are you going to be dragging women kicking and screaming into the operating room, sedating them, and then forcibly aborting their child?

It is terrifying if you ask me.

 

[Genx87]

They are not two separate issues.

You just do not want to confront the issue that abortion of the fetus is the same as a man forcing an unwanted procedure upon a woman.

How would the woman feel if the man took her down to the clinic, put her in a chair, and told the doctor to kill the fetus inside her? But its ok for a woman to kill the fetus?

You arent even making any sense now. You were just arguing for the right of men to do just that. And you are using that as an argument against the right of the woman to have an abortion?

I am in no way arguing for abortion rights. I am arguing the rights to terminate a pregnancy is with the woman. It is simple as that.

Then the same should go for women. If a woman has the right to skirt her responsibilities with an abortion, so should a man have those same rights.

Simply put, men cant and wont.