Indian Couple Accused of Aborting Girls

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: Alkaline5

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: Alkaline5

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: Firebot

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad

Originally posted by: zendari
Shrug, if you believe in abortion, this is what you get.

ehh...this isnt just an abortion.

Yes it is. You just don't like the reason for it....which is the same thing as pro-lifers say.

QFT. Abortions are selective choosing of life and death, no matter the reasoning behind it. I don't see why there is more moral outrage to a Indian couple aborting a female fetus, over a woman choosing to abort since a baby would hamper her business career.

*OMG I can't believe I QFT'd a thought from Zendari

Well I like to live my life by what the Bible says, and according to the Bible, God doesn't see abortion as killing. So if it's ok with God, it's ok with me. I mean, who am I to question the Lord?

Maybe my joke-meter is broken. I know there's no way you're serious, but this isn't funny either.

Would you like me to quote the part in the Bible?

Please do. I've heard of the Hebrew practice of terminating pregnancy to save the mother's life, but a pro-choice Biblical passage would be new to me.

King James Version:

Exodus 21:22 - If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman' husband will lay on him; and he shall pay as the judges determine.
Exodus 21:23 - And if any mischief follow, then you shall give life for life,

So basically, if a man strike a woman and causes her to miscarry, whatever the law states as punishment is good enough. However, if any mischief follow as in, he kills the mother, THEN it is a life for a life.

So as you can see, God doesn't recognize life in the womb, otherwise he would have said life for life would be the punishment if someone caused enough harm to a woman for her to miscarry. So in God's eyes, abortion is definitely not killing. And let me tell you, I don't question the word of Lord.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: Modular
Yes it is. It's getting rid of life that you dont want. That's all an abortion is...people unable to take responsibility for their actions.

nope, abortion is people taking responsibility for their mistakes.

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: Alkaline5

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: Alkaline5

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: Firebot

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad

Originally posted by: zendari
Shrug, if you believe in abortion, this is what you get.

ehh...this isnt just an abortion.

Yes it is. You just don't like the reason for it....which is the same thing as pro-lifers say.

QFT. Abortions are selective choosing of life and death, no matter the reasoning behind it. I don't see why there is more moral outrage to a Indian couple aborting a female fetus, over a woman choosing to abort since a baby would hamper her business career.

*OMG I can't believe I QFT'd a thought from Zendari

Well I like to live my life by what the Bible says, and according to the Bible, God doesn't see abortion as killing. So if it's ok with God, it's ok with me. I mean, who am I to question the Lord?

Maybe my joke-meter is broken. I know there's no way you're serious, but this isn't funny either.

Would you like me to quote the part in the Bible?

Please do. I've heard of the Hebrew practice of terminating pregnancy to save the mother's life, but a pro-choice Biblical passage would be new to me.

King James Version:

Exodus 21:22 - If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman' husband will lay on him; and he shall pay as the judges determine.
Exodus - And if any mischief follow, then you shall give life for life,

So basically, if a man strike a woman and causes her to miscarry, whatever the law states as punishment is good enough. However, if any mischief follow as in, he kills the mother, THEN it is a life for a life.

So as you can see, God doesn't recognize life in the womb, otherwise he would have said life for life would be the punishment if someone caused enough harm to a woman for her to miscarry. So in God's eyes, abortion is definitely not killing. And let me tell you, I don't question the word of Lord.

Accidental miscarriage =/= Abortion

Here's an SAT analogy
Accidental miscarriage :: Abortion
Manslaughter :: Murder

Just because there is a lesser punishment does not mean a fetus is a lesser human.

 

[Alkaline5]

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: Alkaline5
Please do. I've heard of the Hebrew practice of terminating pregnancy to save the mother's life, but a pro-choice Biblical passage would be new to me.

King James Version:

Exodus 21:22 - If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman' husband will lay on him; and he shall pay as the judges determine.
Exodus - And if any mischief follow, then you shall give life for life,

So basically, if a man strike a woman and causes her to miscarry, whatever the law states as punishment is good enough. However, if any mischief follow as in, he kills the mother, THEN it is a life for a life.

So as you can see, God doesn't recognize life in the womb, otherwise he would have said life for life would be the punishment if someone caused enough harm to a woman for her to miscarry. So in God's eyes, abortion is definitely not killing. And let me tell you, I don't question the word of Lord.

IMO you're being more than a little liberal with that verse (though the outdated vocabulary used in the KJV makes it seem less so). The NIV says the same thing, but the use of more modern phrasing helps flesh out the intent.

NIV:
If men who are fighting hit a pregnant woman and she gives birth prematurely but there is no serious injury, the offender must be fined whatever the woman's husband demands and the court allows. But if there is serious injury, you are to take life for life.

I think it's reasonable to say that this is refering to an accidental situation where the woman ends up "in the crossfire" as it were. No specific mention is given as to whether the infant is stillborn, only that the birth is premature. Further, the second passage doesn't make reference to WHO suffers the injury (though you assume that it's the mother). Unless you've reached your conclusion by studying the outcomes of ancient Hebrew trials dealing with this matter, it seems grossly out of context to use this verse as a declaration that God doesn't view abortion as murder.

 

[Powermoloch]

Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad

Originally posted by: zendari
Shrug, if you believe in abortion, this is what you get.

ehh...this isnt just an abortion.

essentially it is

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: Alkaline5

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: Alkaline5

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: Firebot

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad

Originally posted by: zendari
Shrug, if you believe in abortion, this is what you get.

ehh...this isnt just an abortion.

Yes it is. You just don't like the reason for it....which is the same thing as pro-lifers say.

QFT. Abortions are selective choosing of life and death, no matter the reasoning behind it. I don't see why there is more moral outrage to a Indian couple aborting a female fetus, over a woman choosing to abort since a baby would hamper her business career.

*OMG I can't believe I QFT'd a thought from Zendari

Well I like to live my life by what the Bible says, and according to the Bible, God doesn't see abortion as killing. So if it's ok with God, it's ok with me. I mean, who am I to question the Lord?

Maybe my joke-meter is broken. I know there's no way you're serious, but this isn't funny either.

Would you like me to quote the part in the Bible?

Please do. I've heard of the Hebrew practice of terminating pregnancy to save the mother's life, but a pro-choice Biblical passage would be new to me.

King James Version:

Exodus 21:22 - If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman' husband will lay on him; and he shall pay as the judges determine.
Exodus - And if any mischief follow, then you shall give life for life,

So basically, if a man strike a woman and causes her to miscarry, whatever the law states as punishment is good enough. However, if any mischief follow as in, he kills the mother, THEN it is a life for a life.

So as you can see, God doesn't recognize life in the womb, otherwise he would have said life for life would be the punishment if someone caused enough harm to a woman for her to miscarry. So in God's eyes, abortion is definitely not killing. And let me tell you, I don't question the word of Lord.

Accidental miscarriage =/= Abortion

Here's an SAT analogy
Accidental miscarriage :: Abortion
Manslaughter :: Murder

Just because there is a lesser punishment does not mean a fetus is a lesser human.

Denial is a beautiful thing, isn't it. Why don't you read the passage a few more times. He says, life for life. It is obviously less of a human in God's eyes because if a man caused a woman to lose her child, the punishment should have been life for life. But instead, God said, "umm, let him be accountable to whatever laws are at the time for that particular action. I really can't be bothered with such petty things. Hey, I'm God, I've got better thing to do than lay out laws for every little thing."

Let me ask you something, if a man kicks a woman in the stomach while she is pregnant, is that an accidental miscarriage?

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: Alkaline5

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: Alkaline5

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: Firebot

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad

Originally posted by: zendari
Shrug, if you believe in abortion, this is what you get.

ehh...this isnt just an abortion.

Yes it is. You just don't like the reason for it....which is the same thing as pro-lifers say.

QFT. Abortions are selective choosing of life and death, no matter the reasoning behind it. I don't see why there is more moral outrage to a Indian couple aborting a female fetus, over a woman choosing to abort since a baby would hamper her business career.

*OMG I can't believe I QFT'd a thought from Zendari

Well I like to live my life by what the Bible says, and according to the Bible, God doesn't see abortion as killing. So if it's ok with God, it's ok with me. I mean, who am I to question the Lord?

Maybe my joke-meter is broken. I know there's no way you're serious, but this isn't funny either.

Would you like me to quote the part in the Bible?

Please do. I've heard of the Hebrew practice of terminating pregnancy to save the mother's life, but a pro-choice Biblical passage would be new to me.

King James Version:

Exodus 21:22 - If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman' husband will lay on him; and he shall pay as the judges determine.
Exodus - And if any mischief follow, then you shall give life for life,

So basically, if a man strike a woman and causes her to miscarry, whatever the law states as punishment is good enough. However, if any mischief follow as in, he kills the mother, THEN it is a life for a life.

So as you can see, God doesn't recognize life in the womb, otherwise he would have said life for life would be the punishment if someone caused enough harm to a woman for her to miscarry. So in God's eyes, abortion is definitely not killing. And let me tell you, I don't question the word of Lord.

Accidental miscarriage =/= Abortion

Here's an SAT analogy
Accidental miscarriage :: Abortion
Manslaughter :: Murder

Just because there is a lesser punishment does not mean a fetus is a lesser human.

Denial is a beautiful thing, isn't it. Why don't you read the passage a few more times. He says, life for life. It is obviously less of a human in God's eyes because if a man caused a woman to lose her child, the punishment should have been life for life. But instead, God said, "umm, let him be accountable to whatever laws are at the time for that particular action. I really can't be bothered with such petty things. Hey, I'm God, I've got better thing to do than lay out laws for every little thing."

Let me ask you something, if a man kicks a woman in the stomach while she is pregnant, is that an accidental miscarriage?

lolz @ your response "denial is a beautiful thing." I'm not denying anything. I'm pointing out your flawed logic.

Old Testament also says that if you kill someone's slave, punishment is monetary, not death. Does that make a slave less human? :roll:

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: Alkaline5

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: Alkaline5
Please do. I've heard of the Hebrew practice of terminating pregnancy to save the mother's life, but a pro-choice Biblical passage would be new to me.

King James Version:

Exodus 21:22 - If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman' husband will lay on him; and he shall pay as the judges determine.
Exodus - And if any mischief follow, then you shall give life for life,

So basically, if a man strike a woman and causes her to miscarry, whatever the law states as punishment is good enough. However, if any mischief follow as in, he kills the mother, THEN it is a life for a life.

So as you can see, God doesn't recognize life in the womb, otherwise he would have said life for life would be the punishment if someone caused enough harm to a woman for her to miscarry. So in God's eyes, abortion is definitely not killing. And let me tell you, I don't question the word of Lord.

IMO you're being more than a little liberal with that verse (though the outdated vocabulary used in the KJV makes it seem less so). The NIV says the same thing, but the use of more modern phrasing helps flesh out the intent.

NIV:
If men who are fighting hit a pregnant woman and she gives birth prematurely but there is no serious injury, the offender must be fined whatever the woman's husband demands and the court allows. But if there is serious injury, you are to take life for life.

I think it's reasonable to say that this is refering to an accidental situation where the woman ends up "in the crossfire" as it were. No specific mention is given as to whether the infant is stillborn, only that the birth is premature. Further, the second passage doesn't make reference to WHO suffers the injury (though you assume that it's the mother). Unless you've reached your conclusion by studying the outcomes of ancient Hebrew trials dealing with this matter, it seems grossly out of context to use this verse as a declaration that God doesn't view abortion as murder.

Please, you've got to be kidding me. The NIV Bible? That thing is so new, it can't possibly be taken seriously? As a matter of fact, some Christians will call you a heretic for even bringing it up. That is a new revision of the Bible made to cover up the mistakes (notice I didn't say correct), from older traditional Bibles. My passage was a perfect example. Christians knew that passage was a thorn in their side, so they changed the translated word from "depart" to "gives birth prematurely" to fix "their little problem." If the author (I guess God) meant "gave birth prematurely" I'm sure a sentence with the word born would have been used instead (ex. caused the child to be born early). The Bible uses the word born all the live long day. Why wouldn't they use it here?

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: Alkaline5

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: Alkaline5

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: Firebot

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad

Originally posted by: zendari
Shrug, if you believe in abortion, this is what you get.

ehh...this isnt just an abortion.

Yes it is. You just don't like the reason for it....which is the same thing as pro-lifers say.

QFT. Abortions are selective choosing of life and death, no matter the reasoning behind it. I don't see why there is more moral outrage to a Indian couple aborting a female fetus, over a woman choosing to abort since a baby would hamper her business career.

*OMG I can't believe I QFT'd a thought from Zendari

Well I like to live my life by what the Bible says, and according to the Bible, God doesn't see abortion as killing. So if it's ok with God, it's ok with me. I mean, who am I to question the Lord?

Maybe my joke-meter is broken. I know there's no way you're serious, but this isn't funny either.

Would you like me to quote the part in the Bible?

Please do. I've heard of the Hebrew practice of terminating pregnancy to save the mother's life, but a pro-choice Biblical passage would be new to me.

King James Version:

Exodus 21:22 - If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman' husband will lay on him; and he shall pay as the judges determine.
Exodus - And if any mischief follow, then you shall give life for life,

So basically, if a man strike a woman and causes her to miscarry, whatever the law states as punishment is good enough. However, if any mischief follow as in, he kills the mother, THEN it is a life for a life.

So as you can see, God doesn't recognize life in the womb, otherwise he would have said life for life would be the punishment if someone caused enough harm to a woman for her to miscarry. So in God's eyes, abortion is definitely not killing. And let me tell you, I don't question the word of Lord.

Accidental miscarriage =/= Abortion

Here's an SAT analogy
Accidental miscarriage :: Abortion
Manslaughter :: Murder

Just because there is a lesser punishment does not mean a fetus is a lesser human.

Denial is a beautiful thing, isn't it. Why don't you read the passage a few more times. He says, life for life. It is obviously less of a human in God's eyes because if a man caused a woman to lose her child, the punishment should have been life for life. But instead, God said, "umm, let him be accountable to whatever laws are at the time for that particular action. I really can't be bothered with such petty things. Hey, I'm God, I've got better thing to do than lay out laws for every little thing."

Let me ask you something, if a man kicks a woman in the stomach while she is pregnant, is that an accidental miscarriage?

lolz @ your response "denial is a beautiful thing." I'm not denying anything. I'm pointing out your flawed logic.

My logic is not flawed, your reasoning is.

Old Testament also says that if you kill someone's slave, punishment is monetary, not death. Does that make a slave less human? :roll:

In God's eyes, yes. Slaves were not regarded as human back then. So, you now have killing slaves is ok, and also abortions are ok. Let us pray...

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: Alkaline5

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: Alkaline5

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: Firebot

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad

Originally posted by: zendari
Shrug, if you believe in abortion, this is what you get.

ehh...this isnt just an abortion.

Yes it is. You just don't like the reason for it....which is the same thing as pro-lifers say.

QFT. Abortions are selective choosing of life and death, no matter the reasoning behind it. I don't see why there is more moral outrage to a Indian couple aborting a female fetus, over a woman choosing to abort since a baby would hamper her business career.

*OMG I can't believe I QFT'd a thought from Zendari

Well I like to live my life by what the Bible says, and according to the Bible, God doesn't see abortion as killing. So if it's ok with God, it's ok with me. I mean, who am I to question the Lord?

Maybe my joke-meter is broken. I know there's no way you're serious, but this isn't funny either.

Would you like me to quote the part in the Bible?

Please do. I've heard of the Hebrew practice of terminating pregnancy to save the mother's life, but a pro-choice Biblical passage would be new to me.

King James Version:

Exodus 21:22 - If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman' husband will lay on him; and he shall pay as the judges determine.
Exodus - And if any mischief follow, then you shall give life for life,

So basically, if a man strike a woman and causes her to miscarry, whatever the law states as punishment is good enough. However, if any mischief follow as in, he kills the mother, THEN it is a life for a life.

So as you can see, God doesn't recognize life in the womb, otherwise he would have said life for life would be the punishment if someone caused enough harm to a woman for her to miscarry. So in God's eyes, abortion is definitely not killing. And let me tell you, I don't question the word of Lord.

Accidental miscarriage =/= Abortion

Here's an SAT analogy
Accidental miscarriage :: Abortion
Manslaughter :: Murder

Just because there is a lesser punishment does not mean a fetus is a lesser human.

Denial is a beautiful thing, isn't it. Why don't you read the passage a few more times. He says, life for life. It is obviously less of a human in God's eyes because if a man caused a woman to lose her child, the punishment should have been life for life. But instead, God said, "umm, let him be accountable to whatever laws are at the time for that particular action. I really can't be bothered with such petty things. Hey, I'm God, I've got better thing to do than lay out laws for every little thing."

Let me ask you something, if a man kicks a woman in the stomach while she is pregnant, is that an accidental miscarriage?

lolz @ your response "denial is a beautiful thing." I'm not denying anything. I'm pointing out your flawed logic.

My logic is not flawed, your reasoning is.

Old Testament also says that if you kill someone's slave, punishment is monetary, not death. Does that make a slave less human? :roll:

In God's eyes, yes. Slaves were not regarded as human back then. So, you now have killing slaves is ok, and also abortions are ok. Let us pray...

I think even a liberal would laugh at you.

 

[Alkaline5]

Originally posted by: JackBurton
Please, you've got to be kidding me. The NIV Bible? That thing is so knew, it can't possible be taken seriosuly? As a matter of fact, some Christians will call you a hetetic for even bringing it up. That is a new revision of the Bible made to cover up the mistakes (notice I didn't say correct), from older traditional Bibles. My passage was a perfect example. Christians knew that passage was a thorn in their side, so they changed the translated word from "depart" to "gives birth prematurely" to fix "there little problem." If the author (I guess God) meant "gave birth prematurely" I sure a sentence with the word born would have been used instead (ex. caused the child to be born early). The Bible uses the word born all the live long day. Why wouldn't they use it here?

Oh, goodness, you figured it out! The whole Bible is one big cover up where the church just re-words God's mistakes to make themselves look better!</sarcasm>

Seriously, you've resorted to evasive name-calling and at this point you're not even trying to discuss the issue intelligently. You've ceased to be reasonable, and shown yourself to be an anti-religion bigot who isn't willing to re-evaluate your own poorly formed dogma. Good day.

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: JS80
I think even a liberal would laugh at you.

I think they're just laughing at your God. But wait, let me give them something else to laugh at...

Exodus 21:17 - And he that curses his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death.

This guy looks like he wants to find any excuse to kill someone.

Let us pray...

 

[Skeeedunt]

From a moral standpoint, I don't really see the difference. From a societal standpoint, probably not a great idea.

 

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by: LanceM
Aborting because it's not male is NOT the same as aborting because someone was raped.

Dude, you and everyone else should stop bringing up the "omg, she was raped" crap. The percentage of abortions done because the woman was raped is most likely extremely small.

 

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by: Molondo
Sounds like india preffers a sausage party.

Them and China, too.

 

[Greenman]

Originally posted by: LanceM
Aborting because it's not male is NOT the same as aborting because someone was raped.

True enough, but a moot point. I'd bet big money that 95% of abortions have nothing to do with being raped.
I don't see why this would bother anyone who's pro abortion, it's not a person, it has no rights, it's disposable and unwanted meat. Should we make abortion an equal opportunity kind of thing? Put quotas on it so only so many of type X baby?s can be aborted? The whole thing seems silly to me. And it's a problem they created themselves.

 

[Inspector Jihad]

Originally posted by: Powermoloch

Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad

Originally posted by: zendari
Shrug, if you believe in abortion, this is what you get.

ehh...this isnt just an abortion.

essentially it is

thanks for the amazing insight

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: Alkaline5

Originally posted by: JackBurton
Please, you've got to be kidding me. The NIV Bible? That thing is so new, it can't possibly be taken seriosuly? As a matter of fact, some Christians will call you a heretic for even bringing it up. That is a new revision of the Bible made to cover up the mistakes (notice I didn't say correct), from older traditional Bibles. My passage was a perfect example. Christians knew that passage was a thorn in their side, so they changed the translated word from "depart" to "gives birth prematurely" to fix "their little problem." If the author (I guess God) meant "gave birth prematurely" I'm sure a sentence with the word born would have been used instead (ex. caused the child to be born early). The Bible uses the word born all the live long day. Why wouldn't they use it here?

Oh, goodness, you figured it out! The whole Bible is one big cover up where the church just re-words God's mistakes to make themselves look better!</sarcasm>

Seriously, you've resorted to evasive name-calling and at this point you're not even trying to discuss the issue intelligently. You've ceased to be reasonable, and shown yourself to be an anti-religion bigot who isn't willing to re-evaluate your own poorly formed dogma. Good day.

Oh I did discuss it. You just didn't like my answer. And for the record, I didn't call you any names.

 

[Noobtastic]

Like China, India is a male dominated country. A women can't support a family in India, a women doesn't have the benefits that a man would.
Countries like China, India and Malaysia are now dealing with the consequences of a male-only society.

These things happen a lot in the Middle East.