Indian Couple Accused of Aborting Girls

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Indian Couple Accused of Aborting Girls
By Associated Press
4 hours ago

NEW DELHI - Authorities arrested a former army soldier and his wife for allegedly aborting female fetuses, several of which were found dumped in a well behind an illegal clinic the couple are charged with running, a police officer said Thursday.

The former soldier, Pritam Singh, had pretended to be a doctor for years and was assisted by his wife Amarjit Kaur, the investigating officer, Jagveer Singh, told The Associated Press.

He said the two had helped deliver many children, but also worked with other expectant parents to determine the sex of their fetuses and abort the female ones _ a common, but illegal, practice that has skewed India's gender ratio in favor of boys.

Many Indian families prefer boys and see girls as a burden. While abortion is legal here, finding out the sex of a fetus and aborting it because of its gender is not.

But a law against prenatal sex determination has been widely flouted among better-off Indians since it was enacted in 1994.

Pritam Singh set up the business after retiring from the army in 1987, and "under the guise of a maternity clinic, he carried out illegal abortions and killed female fetuses," Jagveer Singh said, speaking from the town of Patran town in the northern state of Punjab.

Pritam Singh would then "dump the fetuses in a well behind the clinic," he added.

The arrests were made Wednesday, and the two have been charged with violating India's laws protecting female fetuses. If convicted, they face between three and 10 years in prison.

Police were tipped off after the couple fired a woman who assisted in delivering children. The woman then told the police that the couple was dumping aborted female fetuses in the unused well.

The officer said it was hard to estimate the precise number of fetuses because most were badly decomposed, but added that samples taken from the site were being tested.

 

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Yes it is. It's getting rid of life that you dont want. That's all an abortion is...people unable to take responsibility for their actions.
 

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Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad
Originally posted by: zendari
Shrug, if you believe in abortion, this is what you get.

ehh...this isnt just an abortion.

Yes it is. You just don't like the reason for it....which is the same thing as pro-lifers say.
 

DaShen

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It has gotten so bad in some parts of China and India, that the guy/girl ratio in some towns is 10:1.

Eventually this will have either two effects. A large migratory population easily used for cheap labor because of no family responsibilities. Or, (only for the more well off) a large group going to other countries to find women.
 

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Hmmm... so aborting your baby if it's a girl is morally repugnant, yet it's A-OK to abort your baby simply because you're not the responsible type?

I think they should follow the US example and allow abortions on demand no matter the reason-- after all, you don't want these mothers having to resort to coat-hangers or back-alley procedures just because their baby doesn't have a penis.

 

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Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad
Originally posted by: zendari
Shrug, if you believe in abortion, this is what you get.

ehh...this isnt just an abortion.

Yes it is. You just don't like the reason for it....which is the same thing as pro-lifers say.

QFT. Abortions are selective choosing of life and death, no matter the reasoning behind it. I don't see why there is more moral outrage to a Indian couple aborting a female fetus, over a woman choosing to abort since a baby would hamper her business career.

*OMG I can't believe I QFT'd a thought from Zendari
 

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I think the main difference here is that it's discrimination based on gender, and that it's easier to argue that this type of practice (as opposed to abortion as we know it) has a direct and harmful effect on a population (socially, economically, etc)
 

JackBurton

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Originally posted by: Firebot
Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad
Originally posted by: zendari
Shrug, if you believe in abortion, this is what you get.

ehh...this isnt just an abortion.

Yes it is. You just don't like the reason for it....which is the same thing as pro-lifers say.

QFT. Abortions are selective choosing of life and death, no matter the reasoning behind it. I don't see why there is more moral outrage to a Indian couple aborting a female fetus, over a woman choosing to abort since a baby would hamper her business career.

*OMG I can't believe I QFT'd a thought from Zendari
Well I like to live my life by what the Bible says, and according to the Bible, God doesn't see abortion as killing. So if it's ok with God, it's ok with me. I mean, who am I to question the Lord? ;)
 

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Originally posted by: Dubb
I think the main difference here is that it's discrimination based on gender, and that it's easier to argue that this type of practice (as opposed to abortion as we know it) has a direct and harmful effect on a population (socially, economically, etc)

And killing infants (without regard to gender) doesn't!? :confused:
 

Dubb

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Originally posted by: Mursilis
Originally posted by: Dubb
I think the main difference here is that it's discrimination based on gender, and that it's easier to argue that this type of practice (as opposed to abortion as we know it) has a direct and harmful effect on a population (socially, economically, etc)

And killing infants (without regard to gender) doesn't!? :confused:

You can make that argument, but it's much harder to do so in a broadly convincing way. That's why I said it's easier to do in this case - the extreme gender imbalance has effects that aren't there in abortion as we know it.
 

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Originally posted by: JackBurton
Originally posted by: Firebot
Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad
Originally posted by: zendari
Shrug, if you believe in abortion, this is what you get.

ehh...this isnt just an abortion.

Yes it is. You just don't like the reason for it....which is the same thing as pro-lifers say.

QFT. Abortions are selective choosing of life and death, no matter the reasoning behind it. I don't see why there is more moral outrage to a Indian couple aborting a female fetus, over a woman choosing to abort since a baby would hamper her business career.

*OMG I can't believe I QFT'd a thought from Zendari
Well I like to live my life by what the Bible says, and according to the Bible, God doesn't see abortion as killing. So if it's ok with God, it's ok with me. I mean, who am I to question the Lord? ;)

Maybe my joke-meter is broken. I know there's no way you're serious, but this isn't funny either.
 

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:( sad that some people in India still consider girls to be less worthy than boys....
Well, at least in India, they are. It's a poor country, and many people attempt to have a boy for hopes of future financial support.
 

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Aborting because it's not male is NOT the same as aborting because someone was raped.
 

JackBurton

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Originally posted by: Alkaline5
Originally posted by: JackBurton
Originally posted by: Firebot
Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad
Originally posted by: zendari
Shrug, if you believe in abortion, this is what you get.

ehh...this isnt just an abortion.

Yes it is. You just don't like the reason for it....which is the same thing as pro-lifers say.

QFT. Abortions are selective choosing of life and death, no matter the reasoning behind it. I don't see why there is more moral outrage to a Indian couple aborting a female fetus, over a woman choosing to abort since a baby would hamper her business career.

*OMG I can't believe I QFT'd a thought from Zendari
Well I like to live my life by what the Bible says, and according to the Bible, God doesn't see abortion as killing. So if it's ok with God, it's ok with me. I mean, who am I to question the Lord? ;)

Maybe my joke-meter is broken. I know there's no way you're serious, but this isn't funny either.
Would you like me to quote the part in the Bible?
 

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Better hope they never discover that homosexual behaviour is genetically traceable.

If so it would be interesting to see who would win?

laws to prevent abortion based on tests versus current "womans" rights laws.


what next, no aborting if they are handicapped? don't like hair color?
 

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Originally posted by: JackBurton
Originally posted by: Alkaline5
Originally posted by: JackBurton
Originally posted by: Firebot
Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad
Originally posted by: zendari
Shrug, if you believe in abortion, this is what you get.

ehh...this isnt just an abortion.

Yes it is. You just don't like the reason for it....which is the same thing as pro-lifers say.

QFT. Abortions are selective choosing of life and death, no matter the reasoning behind it. I don't see why there is more moral outrage to a Indian couple aborting a female fetus, over a woman choosing to abort since a baby would hamper her business career.

*OMG I can't believe I QFT'd a thought from Zendari
Well I like to live my life by what the Bible says, and according to the Bible, God doesn't see abortion as killing. So if it's ok with God, it's ok with me. I mean, who am I to question the Lord? ;)

Maybe my joke-meter is broken. I know there's no way you're serious, but this isn't funny either.
Would you like me to quote the part in the Bible?

Please do. I've heard of the Hebrew practice of terminating pregnancy to save the mother's life, but a pro-choice Biblical passage would be new to me.
 
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Originally posted by: LanceM
Aborting because it's not male is NOT the same as aborting because someone was raped.

true. and these people kill their babies because they think that women are inferior and wont be able to take care of them later on in life. This is very backward thinking which happens in some of the poorer rural parts of india...places like bihar where they are atleast 20 years behind the rest of rural india.

the first issue that must be addressed is that men and women are equal and there is no reason to abort a girl, just because she is a girl. The abortion is a way they see out of having a female child.
 

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Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad
Originally posted by: LanceM
Aborting because it's not male is NOT the same as aborting because someone was raped.

true. and these people kill their babies because they think that women are inferior and wont be able to take care of them later on in life. This is very backward thinking which happens in some of the poorer rural parts of india...places like bihar where they are atleast 20 years behind the rest of rural india.

the first issue that must be addressed is that men and women are equal and there is no reason to abort a girl, just because she is a girl. The abortion is a way they see out of having a female child.
You're a ****** saint, no argument there, but try and understand the situation from the family's perspective. India is not the land of equal opportunity.
 

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Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad
Originally posted by: LanceM
Aborting because it's not male is NOT the same as aborting because someone was raped.

true. and these people kill their babies because they think that women are inferior and wont be able to take care of them later on in life. This is very backward thinking which happens in some of the poorer rural parts of india...places like bihar where they are atleast 20 years behind the rest of rural india.

the first issue that must be addressed is that men and women are equal and there is no reason to abort a girl, just because she is a girl. The abortion is a way they see out of having a female child.

Its not just that you dumba$$...Parents of the girls side usually fund the entire marriage when the child grows up, in rural parts dowry is expected and then comes the financial support part.

And mind you...children in India don't show the doors of an old age home to their parents. They respect parents way too much for that. Thus...parents prefer boys
 
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... Solving the abortion debate's easy
Just say "no" to sex with pro-lifers, believe me
They'll cave faster than Star Jones exercising
The second her eyes notice icing

- DZK - "Surgeon General"

- M4H