http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,25689-2299363,00.html
Could face being banned, and I wonder what implications there are on health.
Could face being banned, and I wonder what implications there are on health.
India demands coke/pepsi to reveal formula
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Good point, but I was selfishly thinking about American health, lol. The article says that studies have found pesticides before a few years ago, but now there's several times as many. Could be a ploy to get the formula.
A certain part of the ingredient list isn't descriptive and that's what India is seeking. They might use sugar there, and that may not account for all the pesticides. We use corn syrup in the US.
If there is a problem, it would be because of the quality of the water in India not pesticides being their secret ingredient.
Is the formula really a secret with modern chemical analysis? It's a "secret" only for marketing purposes.
Is the formula really a secret with modern chemical analysis? It's a "secret" only for marketing purposes.
This is retarded. If you drink waaaaay too much coke or pepsi everyday, it's going to lead to an early death, but it's not going to be due to pesticide poisoning lol.
what about diet? and um..how is it retarded? if there are unacceptable levels of pesticide they should have to deal with the issue
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There is more of an "unacceptable" amount of sugar/acids.
umbrella39
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I think that if India is going to be in the demanding business, Coke and Pepsi should abide so long as every person in India eats a hamburger first. Fvck India and their demands.
If the bottles are manufactured in India, then, its not Cokes/Pepsi fault. Most likely, its the sh!tty production system in the factories in India. God knows where the water comes from in India.. and if it's cleaned or not.
yuck.
yuck.
This isn't true. Any manufacturing process is the responsibility of the manufacturer, not the local populace. The water quality in India is actually pretty high relative to other countries. They utilize modern wastewater treatment facilities in many regions, though their discharge requirements are often not as stringent as they are in the US (though no other country has as stringent requirements as the US). They also use similar drinking water treatments to our own. People often have the image of the Indian street with sewage running down the middle in their heads, but the Indians that I know say that this is rarely the case except in smaller, undeveloped villages.
This problem is the sole responsibility of the producers of the product. Either of these companies, when operating in the US, would have to perform quality control on all ingredients in their process. They would filter the water and perform multiple checks on each individual component before packaging it. This is why the Coke tastes the same whether it is sold in Maine or California, despite the fact that the tap water in these places probably tastes markedly different. Anheuser-Busch and Miller (dunno about Coors) do the same for each of their breweries. The bottom line is that if a company is selling something, they are responsible for exactly what they are selling.
results from the tests conducted by an NGO
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Tests conducted on 57 samples from 25 manufacturing plants of Coke and Pepsi, spread over 12 states, revealed a cocktail of 3-6 different pesticides in all samples, a CSE study said.
It claimed that 11 leading soft drink brands have pesticide residue, some of which had pesticide levels 24 times higher than what is approved by the Bureau of Indian Standards (BIS).
This is the second time in the last three years that CSE has levelled charges against the Cola majors for not complying with safety standards.
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http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1759287,0050.htm
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from another atricle
The second survey conducted by the organisation?s pollution monitoring laboratory found pesticides in soft drinks collected from plants across 12 states in the country, CSE chief Sunita Narain said. The study tested 57 samples of 11 soft drink brands from 25 different manufacturing plants of Coca-Cola and PepsiCo. The brands that failed the test were Pepsi, Pepsi Caffechino, Mountain Dew, Mirinda Orange, Mirinda Lemon, Duke Lemonade, 7up, Coca Cola, Thums Up, Limca and Fanta.
It found residues of three to five varieties of pesticides in all samples ? on an average 24 times higher than the Bureau of Indian Standards (BIS) norms, which have been finalised but not yet notified.
The levels in some samples ? for instance, a bottle of Coca-Cola bought in Kolkata ? exceeded the BIS standards by 140 times for the deadly pesticide Lindane. Similarly, a Coca-Cola sample manufactured in Thane of Maharashtra contained neurotoxin Chlorpyrifos 200 times in excess of the set standard, according to the study.
?This is clearly unacceptable as we know that pesticides are tiny toxins and impact our bodies over time,? said Narain.
CSE experts claimed to have found that the levels of Lindane, a confirmed carcinogen, were more than 54 times above the BIS standard. They also found soft-drink samples containing exceedingly high amount of Chlorpyrifos, a known neurotoxin and Heptachlor, banned in India. Average amount of pesticide residues found in all the samples was 11.85 parts per billion (ppb) ? nearly 24 times higher than the BIS standards for total pesticides in soft drinks (0.5 ppb). The environmental organisation said that caffeinated drinks should not be allowed in the country as they affect the central nervous system and are very dangerous for pregnant women.
?The pesticides found in the soft drink samples are capable of affecting the immune system. Chlorpyrifos, one of the residues found in the samples, is a neurotoxin that can cause severe harm to foetus,? Chandra Bhusan, associate director of CSE, said.
http://www.thepeninsulaqatar.com/Displa...t2006&file=World_News2006080332523.xml
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well umbrella seems to think all indians deserve to be fvcked then I say all americans like umbrella deserve to be fvcked as well..
Fallenanel: how in the world did you come up with faulting the manufacturer, when the product inside is the toxic one..whats wrong with u..
Umbrella, you are a piece of art arent u.,,so based on ur statement people in countries do NOT DESERVE to question what they eat drink, why just because they are american products, or because they are not of your kind. I believe you implicitly wish that indians die but american products should be sold in india...
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Tests conducted on 57 samples from 25 manufacturing plants of Coke and Pepsi, spread over 12 states, revealed a cocktail of 3-6 different pesticides in all samples, a CSE study said.
It claimed that 11 leading soft drink brands have pesticide residue, some of which had pesticide levels 24 times higher than what is approved by the Bureau of Indian Standards (BIS).
This is the second time in the last three years that CSE has levelled charges against the Cola majors for not complying with safety standards.
"
http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1759287,0050.htm
=====================
from another atricle
The second survey conducted by the organisation?s pollution monitoring laboratory found pesticides in soft drinks collected from plants across 12 states in the country, CSE chief Sunita Narain said. The study tested 57 samples of 11 soft drink brands from 25 different manufacturing plants of Coca-Cola and PepsiCo. The brands that failed the test were Pepsi, Pepsi Caffechino, Mountain Dew, Mirinda Orange, Mirinda Lemon, Duke Lemonade, 7up, Coca Cola, Thums Up, Limca and Fanta.
It found residues of three to five varieties of pesticides in all samples ? on an average 24 times higher than the Bureau of Indian Standards (BIS) norms, which have been finalised but not yet notified.
The levels in some samples ? for instance, a bottle of Coca-Cola bought in Kolkata ? exceeded the BIS standards by 140 times for the deadly pesticide Lindane. Similarly, a Coca-Cola sample manufactured in Thane of Maharashtra contained neurotoxin Chlorpyrifos 200 times in excess of the set standard, according to the study.
?This is clearly unacceptable as we know that pesticides are tiny toxins and impact our bodies over time,? said Narain.
CSE experts claimed to have found that the levels of Lindane, a confirmed carcinogen, were more than 54 times above the BIS standard. They also found soft-drink samples containing exceedingly high amount of Chlorpyrifos, a known neurotoxin and Heptachlor, banned in India. Average amount of pesticide residues found in all the samples was 11.85 parts per billion (ppb) ? nearly 24 times higher than the BIS standards for total pesticides in soft drinks (0.5 ppb). The environmental organisation said that caffeinated drinks should not be allowed in the country as they affect the central nervous system and are very dangerous for pregnant women.
?The pesticides found in the soft drink samples are capable of affecting the immune system. Chlorpyrifos, one of the residues found in the samples, is a neurotoxin that can cause severe harm to foetus,? Chandra Bhusan, associate director of CSE, said.
http://www.thepeninsulaqatar.com/Displa...t2006&file=World_News2006080332523.xml
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well umbrella seems to think all indians deserve to be fvcked then I say all americans like umbrella deserve to be fvcked as well..
Fallenanel: how in the world did you come up with faulting the manufacturer, when the product inside is the toxic one..whats wrong with u..
Umbrella, you are a piece of art arent u.,,so based on ur statement people in countries do NOT DESERVE to question what they eat drink, why just because they are american products, or because they are not of your kind. I believe you implicitly wish that indians die but american products should be sold in india...
If the production plant in India is not enforcing the safety checks, it is the fault of the Indians. You can use a controlled fire to cook and leave an unattended fire to burn a forest. That doesn't means you should blame fire for it. Blame the person who left the fire unattended. With the high pollution levels of the Ganges river fom industrial waste and agricultural pesticides, extensive treatement is needed before that water can be used anywhere. I wonder if these production facilities are using this polluted water (or from some other such polluted water source) for their production facilities.
yup, the plants are mostly in south and central india. nowhere near te ganges ypu exquisitly portayed. YES the govt is taking action aginst the plants, but the folks around the world are alluding as if its a decision to ban coke and pepsi because they are american companies. any company that tries to mess around with peoples lives, should either rectify the situation or get the fvck out
from what I read a couple of years ago,when the news first came up, it seesm these plants sink long tubes into the ground and tap into the hard water, then they use that water without much procesing..before these allegations, these companies used to buy water from third party suppliers (which was good), then to cut costs they started digging in deep tubes and started extracting the ground water. since they didnt process this water properly, the shiit hit the fan..
You missed reading the part saying "or from some other such polluted water source" within the parantheses.
Reading comprehension is recommended for you.
BoberFett
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I don't know how they do it in India, but here in the US local bottlers buy syrup and mix it with local water to create the end product you find at the store. So it is in fact, not Coca Cola or PepsiCos fault. It is the local bottler, assuming it works the same way there.
Besides, I don't see how revealing the formula will solve pesticide problems. While the final product may contain pesticides, it certainly isn't one of the ingredients in the "secret formula". It's coming from either the bottles/can or the water. Demanding the formula is just an IP grab.
Besides, I don't see how revealing the formula will solve pesticide problems. While the final product may contain pesticides, it certainly isn't one of the ingredients in the "secret formula". It's coming from either the bottles/can or the water. Demanding the formula is just an IP grab.
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