India and Pakistan going to war?

[Jaskalas]

The war seems that is really happening.

Deterrence requires brinkmanship to both establish and uphold when challenged.
Anyone who hits you needs to know you will counter attack. Inflict a pain and a cost.
In the infliction of that pain, you become capable of suing for peace. You make them value peace.

It is the only proper course of action and that is how Russia should have been dealt with from day one.
Of course we always need to hope that cooler heads prevail with these nuclear powers. Because there is always a chance that they do not.
But being human, we have no other choice. This is how the game is played.

 

[Jaskalas]

India keeps escalating.
Apparently Pakistan has not given them enough of a taste of blood. That will have to be the next shoe to drop.

India says it hit Pakistan air defences and accuses Islamabad of drone strikes​

 

[Indus]

India keeps escalating.
Apparently Pakistan has not given them enough of a taste of blood. That will have to be the next shoe to drop.

India says it hit Pakistan air defences and accuses Islamabad of drone strikes​

Well when you have terrorists hell bent on killing anyone not Muslim, you can't blame others for fighting back.

It's not the first time either. I remember I was in India in 2008 and Pakistan sent over terrorists that killed over a 100 people in Mumbai.

I was in Gaya at the time but I remember I was particularly irked by them targeting a family and saying they'll let them go after they have all their money from their bank accounts.. and then promptly shot the dad, the mom, and the 2 children point blank in the heads while on the phone with the hostage negotiation teams.

That audio as you can probably guess.. went viral at least in India and was replayed every 5 minutes that you cannot trust their terrorists to keep their word and let you go.

My point being.. I don't think India will just accept anything Pakistan says as being worth anything. They will want them unable to attack them again so there is likely to be a lot more escalation.

 

[KMFJD]

Judah Grunstein (@judah-grunstein.bsky.social)

"India acknowledged that it targeted Pakistan’s air defense system." Generally you do this before you launch the airstrikes, so you don't lose three warplanes. Seriously, India is not coming out from this looking good, whether tactically, operationally or strategically. [contains quote post...

bsky.app

3 Indian jets downed by Pakistan ad apparently, over Indian airspace

 

[Roger Wilco]

Sounds like things are getting really hot…

 

[Indus]

Judah Grunstein (@judah-grunstein.bsky.social)

"India acknowledged that it targeted Pakistan’s air defense system." Generally you do this before you launch the airstrikes, so you don't lose three warplanes. Seriously, India is not coming out from this looking good, whether tactically, operationally or strategically. [contains quote post...

bsky.app

3 Indian jets downed by Pakistan ad apparently, over Indian airspace

Didn't the same thing happen in the Kargil War?

In the opening days India was losing planes left and right and then they just brute forced a win?

 

[DZero]

The only thing I don't want to see is India attacking the Chinese Kashmir (the part called Aksai Chin)... once this happens... that's all BRICS.

 

[Indus]

The only thing I don't want to see is India attacking the Chinese Kashmir (the part called Aksai Chin)... once this happens... that's all BRICS.

This probably belongs in my CT thread but we always wondered if Russia got Hamas to start the Gaza war to weaken Biden politically (via Iran).

Now that the global trade war with America has started.. can anyone discount China telling Pakistan to use its religious terrorist facility to start a war with India so world trade suffers and it's harder for countries to do without China?

I certainly wouldn't dismiss the idea.. but proving it will be impossible. Too many things going on behind the scenes..

 

[Jaskalas]

Trying to guess what the exit ramp looks like for either country.
I am going to assume India was happy with its missile strikes.
But now that Pakistan retaliated they're both happy to slug it out. To what end, I wonder?

Difficult to predict when one side has had enough.
And if that will be good enough for the other.

 

[KMFJD]

Didn't the same thing happen in the Kargil War?

In the opening days India was losing planes left and right and then they just brute forced a win?

correct, they captured this guy with his epic moustache

 

[Jaskalas]

Not entirely confirmed.. but.... yeah....
They're clearly launching everything short of the nukes.

India-Pakistan: 125 Jets Clash in One of Largest Dogfights in Recent History​

 

[Jaskalas]

Pakistan still hungers. Round and round we go.

Pakistan Military Spokesman Says 'We Will Not De-escalate' With India

Pakistan's military spokesman said on Friday it would not "de-escalate" with India, after days of missile, artillery and drone attacks.​

"We will not de-escalate -- with the damages India did on our side, they should take a hit," Ahmed Sharif Chaudhry told media at a briefing.​

"So far we have been protecting ourselves but they will get an answer in our own timing."​

 

[cytg111]

The fuck with this timeline?

Could we not? Please?

 

[Jaskalas]

To reiterate Pakistan's position today:

Pakistan Defence Minister Khawaja Asif on Friday said that Islamabad has “no option left other than full a blown war” ​

 

[Jaskalas]

Few hours before, India continues missile strikes on Pakistan.

Missile strike targets Nur Khan Airbase as explosions hit Rawalpindi and Lahore

Now Pakistan declares their retaliation has begun.

Operation Bunyan Un Marsoos Starts

https://news.sky.com/story/pakistan-launches-military-operation-against-india-13364836

 

[Perknose]

Pakistan, Too Big to Fail.

^^^ Interesting and informative article on the long-standing and precarious financial position of this nuclear armed country.

 

[Indus]

Pakistan, Too Big to Fail.

^^^ Interesting and informative article on the long-standing and precarious financial position of this nuclear armed country.

And Pakistan is more guilty of genocide of it's minority population than Israel is.. but the west looks at it like.. nope we didn't see anything, hear anything or will say anything.

Build your own nukes and watch the USA tie itself in knots!

 

[Jaskalas]

Conflict paused for now.
India issues warning.
Both nations have been mobilizing their armies. This could just be an excuse to better prepare. But it is a decent hope that they'll settle down.

India and Pakistan agree to ceasefire after days of attacks​

• India declares any future act of terror will be treated as act of war​

 

[sdifox]

Ah yes, the people that assassinated dissidents in other countries is crying about terrorism

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Conflict paused, The orange shitbag tries to make it look like he is the reason why, both India and Pakistan say it had nothing to do with him.

 

[Jaskalas]

Pakistan, having tribal areas... may be having difficulty following through on a ceasefire less than 24 hours after declaring war.

Pakistan violates ceasefire: Drone attack on Jammu, Srinagar​

The violation of ceasefire agreement by Pakistan came hours after it agreed to stop all firing and military action against India.​

 

[Jaskalas]

India... stopping short of immediate retaliation?

Indian Foreign Secretary calls on Pakistan to 'address violations'

Indian Foreign Secretary Vikram Misri has just given a short briefing, just before 23:00 IST (18:30 BST).​

He says: "For the last few hours, there have been repeated violations of the understanding we arrived at earlier this evening.​

"This is a breach of the understanding arrived at earlier today."​

Misri says India's armed forces are "giving an appropriate response" and he concludes his briefing by "calling upon Pakistan to address these violations".​

Pakistan has yet to comment on Misri's statement.​