in your professional opinion, can jet fuel melt steel beams?

[Ns1]

Yeah, approach this rabbit hole with a good bit of caution. There are knuckleheads out there that say that planes never hit the towers or the pentagon, and that 9/11 was a government conspiracy/hoax just like the moon landing. Only unlike the moon landing, lots of people died and even more people witnessed the planes as they crashed. I myself saw the plane that hit the Pentagon and I can say unabashedly that it was one of the scariest and most horrifying things I have ever seen in my life.

You're obv one of the co-conspirators.

 

[brianmanahan]

Yeah, approach this rabbit hole with a good bit of caution. There are knuckleheads out there that say that planes never hit the towers or the pentagon, and that 9/11 was a government conspiracy/hoax just like the moon landing. Only unlike the moon landing, lots of people died and even more people witnessed the planes as they crashed. I myself saw the plane that hit the Pentagon and I can say unabashedly that it was one of the scariest and most horrifying things I have ever seen in my life.

wow, were you there when it happened or when they were cleaning it up?

 

[rudder]

Diesel is similar to jet fuel.

http://www.scrippsmedia.com/newscha...idge-In-Williamson-Co-Saturday-275633371.html

A brand new bridge had to be completely destroyed because a truck fire warped the steel beams that went over the interstate. Granted... this did not "melt" the steel.... but imagine a heavy building whose structural beams were weakened by intense heat.

Really can't understand why these threads keep popping up.

 

[Sho'Nuff]

wow, were you there when it happened or when they were cleaning it up?

I should clarify. I believe that I saw "the plane" that hit the Pentagon, not that I saw a plane "hit" the Pentagon.

I was working at the Naval Research Lab at the time. NRL is close to national airport, and so you see planes flying down the Potomac all the time. It is also only a few miles from the Pentagon. On the morning of 09/11, I was walking from the cafeteria (had a late brekafast) to the chemistry building, which is on the other side of the lab (or at least it was at the time). I liked walking down by the river, so that was the path I took on that day. While walking I noticed a plane flying low and relatively near the river, and banking hard right. Did not think much of it at the time, as plane's often bank like that to come into National. So it was not an unusual sight. Only a couple minutes later, there was a loud BANG and smoke poured up from the area past National Airport. By the time I got back to my building, reports were coming in that a plane hit the pentagon.

I did observe the damage to the Pentagon while driving by it later than week, as it was clearly visible from the highway. And FWIW - my uncle worked in the side of the pentagon that was struck, and lost many of his staff. He got "lucky" and was visiting a contractor in New Jersey that day.

 

[JEDIYoda]

wow, were you there when it happened or when they were cleaning it up?

your point...

 

[JEDIYoda]

Bunch of conjecture. Might have been workers during cleanup? Sulphur might have come from burning computers? Clearly someone who formed an opinion and then looked for facts that fit their preconceived notions. Not buying it

didn`t matter anyways...nobody can explain to a 9/11 truther anything even if what they are using is factual and truthful......believe what you will...

 

[Brian Stirling]

didn`t matter anyways...nobody can explain to a 9/11 truther anything even if what they are using is factual and truthful......believe what you will...

Listen JEDI, the truthers know full well what happened. Bush/Cheney conspired with OBL to commit 9/11. Bush and his cronies committed the act and OBL was part of the deal by taking credit for it. Face it, there is a logic to the truthers arguments that can't be argued with. I mean, if the truthers believe Bush/Cheney did it how else to explain the fact the OBL and Al-Qaeda were quick to admit involvement.


Brian

 

[JEDIYoda]

Listen JEDI, the truthers know full well what happened. Bush/Cheney conspired with OBL to commit 9/11. Bush and his cronies committed the act and OBL was part of the deal by taking credit for it. Face it, there is a logic to the truthers arguments that can't be argued with. I mean, if the truthers believe Bush/Cheney did it how else to explain the fact the OBL and Al-Qaeda were quick to admit involvement.

yeah right,,,,,,,hhahahaaaaa

 

[SlitheryDee]

didn`t matter anyways...nobody can explain to a 9/11 truther anything even if what they are using is factual and truthful......believe what you will...

I would reply, but I can't troll for more than two posts in a row.

The whole truther movement mystifies me, but no more than a lot of other things people attribute to nefarious or Machiavellian motivations.

Why is it that when you don't like a politician (or anyone for that matter), it isn't good enough that they are inept? Why do people have to also assume that they are evil? It wasn't enough for Bush to be a bumbling moron, he had to be a mastermind who was dead set on enslaving the american people to...something or other. I see the same thing with the other side when talking about Obama as well. It isn't enough that he's a liberal politician who generally disagrees with the conservatives on pretty basic political issues. He also has to be a muslim who was born out of the country and lied about his citizenship (or whatever it is they say he did).

Why do they have to go the extra step into insanity when the plain and obvious truth was already enough to justify their voting against these guys? Is it just because that's not sensational and interesting enough for them? Do they have to invent a world where everyone is conspiring against them in order to engage in anything at all? That has to be some kind of mental illness. You can see people doing this in every day interaction as well. Anytime you hear someone talking about another person who did something they disagreed with and you hear the words "Oh he/she knew exactly what they were doing" that's what's going on. They're trying to attribute diabolical motivation to situations that quite often are happenstance or incompetence. My automatic reaction to such words is always skepticism.

 

[feralkid]

i trust anandtech more than most places on the internet

Woah, Daddy!

 

[Ichinisan]

My automatic reaction to such words is always skepticism.

Truthers honestly believe they are true skeptics and everyone else are "sheep."

 

[SlitheryDee]

Truthers honestly believe they are true skeptics and everyone else are "sheep."

Being skeptical is fine though. You just have to apply it equally to all things. You can't only be skeptical of the things that belie your chosen story and actually expect to end up with anything close to truth.

We all pay lip service to that idea, but in practice it's very hard to do. Unless it's a subject that you have no interest in, there's always going to be a story that you hope is the truth. Mentally turning against the thing you want to be true and shining the light of skepticism on it can be almost painful at times. I think that is important to understand in a debate. It explains a lot of the bull-headed arguments on this forum for sure.