In your opinion, was Thomas Jefferson a true, consistent abolitionist?

[Anarchist420]

I thought that he was... until reading the article on wikipedia about it.

I had thought that he really had no oppurtunities to free more of his slaves and that he had tried to push a bill through the VA legislature that would've abolished slavery in VA. Then I also read that he wanted to aid against a slave rebellion in Haiti and that he may have had kids with a slave, but didn't free her. One of the professors I had was self-certain that Thomas Jefferson raped her, that she didn't consent. However, I disagree with that professor.

However, none of that means he wasn't one of the greatest men to ever live, as he will always be one of the best individuals of all time, IMO.

[note: I'm honestly not trying to troll with this thread (i.e., my intentions are for a good discussion), or any other one that I create, hosted by the good moderators/owners of AT]

 

[Matt1970]

Penis

 

[CallMeJoe]

... until reading the article on wikipedia about it...

How very scholarly of you. Did you cross reference your information with Founding Fathers Comics?

 

[rudeguy]

 

[Vette73]

 

[LegendKiller]

I think Thomas Jefferson liked cookies. Does the rest of ATPN agree?

 

[rudeguy]

I think Thomas Jefferson liked cookies. Does the rest of ATPN agree?

What is it with you Left Wing nut jobs? Do you have to have an agenda in every single thing you do?

He liked cake you douche.

 

[CallMeJoe]

What is it with you Left Wing nut jobs? Do you have to have an agenda in every single thing you do?
He liked cake you douche.

Mr. Jefferson's affection for cake did not disallow an equal affection for cookies. He may even have had some fondness for pie.

A better question may be to what degree his hemp farming influenced his pastry preferences...

 

[wuliheron]

Must not s..c..r..a..t..c..h...

 

[MotF Bane]

I think Thomas Jefferson liked cookies. Does the rest of ATPN agree?

Did they have cookies as we know them now in the 1700's? I find this to be a more pressing question.

 

[soundforbjt]

He also liked pie. Dark pie.

 

[Matt1970]

Must not s..c..r..a..t..c..h...

 

[Abwx]

Thomas Jefferson, a world-famous advocate of liberty, had a 5,000-acre plantation and owned hundreds of slaves during his lifetime.

Jefferson formally freed seven male slaves, only two while he was alive. He let his "natural" son and daughter "walk away" in 1822 when they came of age. In 1826, he freed five more male slaves in his will, including two "natural" sons.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Jefferson_and_slavery

 

[pcgeek11]

Did they have cookies as we know them now in the 1700's? I find this to be a more pressing question.

Maybe they had biscuits...

 

[Tom]

There's no excuse for owning slaves, ever.

I do admire Jefferson for other aspects of his life.

 

[LegendKiller]

There's no excuse for owning slaves, ever.

I do admire Jefferson for other aspects of his life.

I admire him for loving his cake, pies and cookies (trying to be tri-partisan).

 

[Throckmorton]

Why didn't he free the slaves and hire them as paid workers?

 

[rudeguy]

Why didn't he free the slaves and hire them as paid workers?

because they would only make pie and cookies if they were freed. The man loved his cake!

 

[RightIsWrong]

No person that has, does or ever will walk this planet will be a "true and consistent" anything.

We are all hypocrites and two faced who will continue to espouse one thing while doing something else that is in direct conflict with said beliefs.

/steps off of Moonie's soapbox

 

[maluckey]

I think what we all are forgetting here is hasty pudding!

I'd wager a beer or two that hasty pudding and even tapioca may have been a favorite!

hasty pudding was entirely legal and tapioca would also have legal and well respected at the time.

 

[DominionSeraph]

No person that has, does or ever will walk this planet will be a "true and consistent" anything.

Truly and consistently?

 

[dali71]

Mr. Jefferson's affection for cake did not disallow an equal affection for cookies. He may even have had some fondness for pie.

A better question may be to what degree his hemp farming influenced his pastry preferences...

"Mount Vernon, man? He grew it all over the country, man. He had people growin' it all over the country, you know. The whole country back then was gettin' high. Lemme tell you, man, 'cause he knew he was onto somethin', man. He knew that it would be a good cash crop for the southern states, man, so he grew fields of it, man. But you know what? Behind every good man there is a woman, and that woman was Martha Washington, man, and everyday George would come home, she would have a big fat bowl waiting for him, man, when he came in the door, man."

 

[maluckey]

"Mount Vernon, man? He grew it all over the country, man. He had people growin' it all over the country, you know. The whole country back then was gettin' high. Lemme tell you, man, 'cause he knew he was onto somethin', man. He knew that it would be a good cash crop for the southern states, man, so he grew fields of it, man. But you know what? Behind every good man there is a woman, and that woman was Martha Washington, man, and everyday George would come home, she would have a big fat bowl waiting for him, man, when he came in the door, man."

That's what I was thinking! And the other people were....like....trying to hurt the man....you know...and he....like .....KNOWS things......and he was a man's man....man...

That Jefferson dude had some good stuff....you know....ummmmm yeah...