In what direction is humanity evolving culturally and politically?

[Moonbeam]

That was a response to realibrad concerning my lack of good command of english to describe the sarcasm from Moonbeam.

I don't understand the intention of most of your posts. I don't know what you refer to as sarcasm or what you think was trolling, but neither is my intention according to how I use those words.

 

[Abwx]

There seems to be an underlying unacknowledged assumption here that liberal change is change for the sake of change, rather than change motivated by a sense of injustice felt regarding something in the status quo. It strikes me as very conservative not to be able to distinguish the difference between novelty and moral indignation of the progressive kind, not having the kind of moral vision that liberals do. I am not saying inferior moral vision, or lacking in moral vision. I am saying differently weighted moral vision.

A liberal may, for example, wish to change the institution of slavery, sensing the injustice and inequality it implies, but a conservative may give weight to the fact that all those institutions that depend on it will collapse creating chaos in society. How one weighs moral dilemmas determines what position you will take.

Conservatives wants more freedom, what they never say is that they cant get more freedom by their own means, they must use other people as tools/slaves/employees as a mean to create wealth thransferts that will make them wealthy and hence more free, that s why they are proponents of free entrepeneurship wich is just a convenient words to not say regulated slavery.

Propose them a world where every human will get the freedom he can build or aquire only by himself and they will battle this idea because they know that at some point you can get more freedom only if other people are willing to give up a part of their own freedom, plantations owners were extremely free, they could rape any slave woman and still get the upper ground...

 

[Moonbeam]

Conservatives wants more freedom, what they never say is that they cant get more freedom by their own means, they must use other people as tools/slaves/employees as a mean to create wealth thransferts that will make them wealthy and hence more free, that s why they are proponents of free entrepeneurship wich is just a convenient words to not say regulated slavery.

Propose them a world where every human will get the freedom he can build or aquire only by himself and they will battle this idea because they know that at some point you can get more freedom only if other people are willing to give up a part of their own freedom, plantations owners were extremely free, they could rape any slave woman and still get the upper ground...

Like people who are winning at a dirty game don't like the rules to change. In a competitive system the OTHER is always a threat.

 

[Abwx]

Like people who are winning at a dirty game don't like the rules to change. In a competitive system the OTHER is always a threat.

Exactly, and the others are seen as a limitation to one s own freedom, people from western countries dont pay enough attention to the basis of their systems, they never grasped that the declaration of the human and citizen rights explicitely make a not that subtle difference in that a man and a citizen are two different status, and that being a citizen doesnt grant you the human rights automaticaly, the "human" is actualy the wealthy while the citizenry will provide, by its labor, the liquidity to the wealthy wealth.

 

[realibrad]

Well, seems like there is a lot of anger.

Spirit Science is a moron trying to make shit up and pretend like its something special.

Cool Hard Logic simply makes fun of Spirit Science.

Thats probably all I need to say.

 

[Moonbeam]

Well, seems like there is a lot of anger.

Spirit Science is a moron trying to make shit up and pretend like its something special.

Cool Hard Logic simply makes fun of Spirit Science.

Thats probably all I need to say.

You don't understand the meaning of need but that's much much better. No pretense that what you were trying to say was something special, for one thing, and now understandable.

When Mulla Nasrudin found a parrot blown miles and miles from home, he painted it brown and cut its beak and wings to resemble the birds he knew, proud of himself that the strange phenomena he came on, now seemed to fit in the mental box he called birds. Your ignorant need to shape the world you don't understand into something that doesn't threaten you has been understood for thousands of years by, um, you guessed it, Spirit Scientists.

 

[realibrad]

You don't understand the meaning of need but that's much much better. No pretense that what you were trying to say was something special, for one thing, and now understandable.

When Mulla Nasrudin found a parrot blown miles and miles from home, he painted it brown and cut its beak and wings to resemble the birds he knew, proud of himself that the strange phenomena he came on, now seemed to fit in the mental box he called birds. Your ignorant need to shape the world you don't understand into something that doesn't threaten you has been understood for thousands of years by, um, you guessed it, Spirit Scientists.

It must be a pretty amazing world you live in, where you know all things in absolutes. The amount of hubris exhibited by your posts show that you leave almost zero room for doubt. Its not that you might not understand the meaning of need, it is that others are getting close to the real understanding when they get close to what you believe. You better hope that bubble you have put yourself in does not pop, because if it does, you are in for some deep introspection.

 

[Moonbeam]

realibrad: It must be a pretty amazing world you live in, where you know all things in absolutes.

M: You can say that again. My absolute knowledge is the result of knowing I don't know anything. You have yet to realize that, stuffed full of cabbage as you are.

r: The amount of hubris exhibited by your posts show that you leave almost zero room for doubt.

M: The certain that I know nothing makes my state of knowing so superior to yours and me so indifferent to that fact, that your jealously of my ignorance makes you see it as hubris, because as a competitor and thinker, you can't help making comparisons. I know that we are the same, both completely ignorant and empty.

r: Its not that you might not understand the meaning of need, it is that others are getting close to the real understanding when they get close to what you believe. You better hope that bubble you have put yourself in does not pop, because if it does, you are in for some deep introspection.

M: Poor Moonbeam was forced to die long ago. I lost all belief in everything I ever treasured and washed up after my shipwreck left only with that which couldn't be taken.