In what direction is humanity evolving culturally and politically?

[Londo_Jowo]

The weird ass shit running around in my head having nothing to do with want was posted is probably just my deeper understanding of psychological truths you are as of yet unaware.

If you care to be specific about your complaint, and describe exactly what you mean with clear examples, I will try to explain the connections. Do not assume, however, that because you got lost, I will be able to easily guide you out. As you know, one of my big insights into human nature is that people get lost by choice and like it that way.

This purpose of this thread, for example, is to shine a light on the fact that conservatives are actually the very thing they hate, but a dollar short and a day late, as it were. That is a fact so obvious as to be amazing it isn't easily universal dogma. I think it would be were it not so inconvenient for conservative thinkers to come to grips with.

PS: Your post did exactly what I described, put me down. How interesting, no?

My reply had absolutely nothing to do with you or the subject of your thread...period. However, you felt the need to read something completely different than what or whom the post concerned. Now you're replying because feel the need to ramble on more and play the victim card.

 

[gamervivek]

There seems to be an underlying unacknowledged assumption here that liberal change is change for the sake of change, rather than change motivated by a sense of injustice felt regarding something in the status quo. It strikes me as very conservative not to be able to distinguish the difference between novelty and moral indignation of the progressive kind, not having the kind of moral vision that liberals do. I am not saying inferior moral vision, or lacking in moral vision. I am saying differently weighted moral vision.

A liberal may, for example, wish to change the institution of slavery, sensing the injustice and inequality it implies, but a conservative may give weight to the fact that all those institutions that depend on it will collapse creating chaos in society. How one weighs moral dilemmas determines what position you will take.

There is no such assumption though American conservatism has been a lost cause for quite some time now.

"It may be inferred again that the present movement for women’s rights will certainly prevail from the history of its only opponent: Northern conservatism. This is a party which never conserves anything. Its history has been that it demurs to each aggression of the progressive party, and aims to save its credit by a respectable amount of growling, but always acquiesces at last in the innovation. What was the resisted novelty of yesterday is today one of the accepted principles of conservatism; it is now conservative only in affecting to resist the next innovation, which will tomorrow be forced upon its timidity and will be succeeded by some third revolution; to be denounced and then adopted in its turn. American conservatism is merely the shadow that follows Radicalism as it moves forward towards perdition. It remains behind it, but never retards it, and always advances near its leader. . . . "

- Women's Rights Women, R.L. Dabney, 1897

 

[senseamp]

Populism is the major political and cultural theme now. People are realizing they've been suckered by trickle down for over 30 years, and it has failed them miserably.

 

[gdansk]

There is a preponderance of people who like to scapegoat their problems on others, who conveniently are responsible for nearly all bad things in the world. They complain against a set of semi-imagined enemies and construct a narrative that makes their opinion the one true path. Their complete ignorance does not deter their feelings overpowering logical arguments. In fact, the less they know of an area the more they feel they're correct. The boisterous ignorant occupy a dominating role in politics, if only due to their noise. Ignorance abounds in an era of unprecedented access to information.

In other words, nothing new. And, with luck, western civilization will continue the middle path.

 

[sandorski]

This is the sort of cultism that destroys society's. You've created an enemy where there is only a different point of view. You then proceed to convince yourself that you're superior, that people that don't believe as you do are stupid, they have to be stopped, they have to be controlled, their foolish ideas have to be stamped out.
Your thinking is locked into extremes just as moonies is.

What Cultism? What I posted is simply a synopsis of History.

 

[Moonbeam]

My reply had absolutely nothing to do with you or the subject of your thread...period. However, you felt the need to read something completely different than what or whom the post concerned. Now you're replying because feel the need to ramble on more and play the victim card.

Good grief! My comment was directed at your post directed at dmcowen674. I know it had nothing to do with the thread or me, hehe. I was commenting to you on thee fact that you didn't acknowledge what he had right about conservatives regardless of the price of bananas.

 

[Moonbeam]

There is no such assumption though American conservatism has been a lost cause for quite some time now.



- Women's Rights Women, R.L. Dabney, 1897

I get the feeling you may be rather well read on this issue but without more of the context in which those words were imbedded, I may not have understood what was being said. I thought perhaps the intention was to say that progressives want change for change's sake. Some may and others may not, I think.

 

[Moonbeam]

This is the sort of cultism that destroys society's. You've created an enemy where there is only a different point of view. You then proceed to convince yourself that you're superior, that people that don't believe as you do are stupid, they have to be stopped, they have to be controlled, their foolish ideas have to be stamped out.
Your thinking is locked into extremes just as moonies is.

This is exactly what the neuroscientists say is what conservatives do more than liberal, but that they will project it onto others.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Good grief! My comment was directed at your post directed at dmcowen674. I know it had nothing to do with the thread or me, hehe. I was commenting to you on thee fact that you didn't acknowledge what he had right about conservatives regardless of the price of bananas.

So the fact McOwned's opinion is based on lies makes what he says the truth? Makes sense considering most of the crazy ass shit that goes on in your head is also based off of faulty information/opinion.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Good grief! My comment was directed at your post directed at dmcowen674. I know it had nothing to do with the thread or me, hehe. I was commenting to you on thee fact that you didn't acknowledge what he had right about conservatives regardless of the price of bananas.

Oh, are you referring to Dave's earlier post in this thread which was filled with lies? Dave is a documented liar (many times over) and his dishonesty, documented cowardice, and deceit render any opinion he states irrelevant and unimportant. He is the kind of human garbage that is wrong with this world.

Dave is easily the biggest proven liar on this forum and why he hasn't been permabanned is mindboggling.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Populism is the major political and cultural theme now. People are realizing they've been suckered by trickle down for over 30 years, and it has failed them miserably.

Greed. It all comes down to greed. That is why trickle down didn't work and that is why wages are stagnant, and that's why something will have to give at some point in the near future or the US will become something like a third-world country.

 

[FerrelGeek]

Just look at the posts by the conservatards in the gas thread.

The cowardly losers blatantly lie with every post they make.

Hiding behind computer monitors has de-evolved humanity back to the brain size of an zygote.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Says the official ATPN village idiot.

 

[Moonbeam]

So the fact McOwned's opinion is based on lies makes what he says the truth? Makes sense considering most of the crazy ass shit that goes on in your head is also based off of faulty information/opinion.

Please do not become what you criticize, although that is inevitable when you do not understand the principle that we become what we fear. A stopped watch is right twice a day. The truth of falsehood of somebody's words is dependent on whether the words themselves are true or false, not on whether the person speaking them is generally right or wrong. I corrected what I saw as an error in your thinking based on the words he said you countenanced as inaccurate and which I believe were. I did not believe his words to be accurate because he said so but because they correspond to what I know to be so. I judged what he said according to what I know. You judged what he said because you are bigoted against him which caused you to be unable to properly think. You, for example, are wrong about tons of stuff, but you are reasonable when it comes to not being Islam phobic. I know this because I listen to your words and don't hear only that you are often talking out of your brain defect as you are here.

 

[Moonbeam]

Oh, are you referring to Dave's earlier post in this thread which was filled with lies? Dave is a documented liar (many times over) and his dishonesty, documented cowardice, and deceit render any opinion he states irrelevant and unimportant. He is the kind of human garbage that is wrong with this world.

Dave is easily the biggest proven liar on this forum and why he hasn't been permabanned is mindboggling.

I have long ago determine that you are blind so I will write on this opinion from a known idiot. You are banned. Nothing you will ever say will mean anything.

 

[BoberFett]

Hasn't the whole of human cultural evolution been one of increasing liberalism supplanting and replacing the liberal evolution that took place yesterday. Aren't todays conservatives, even the most extreme, tame by comparison to the most liberal thinking of the dark ages? It amuses me that conservatives seem to think that the state of advancement of liberals today will be the sacred backward ideas of conservatives tomorrow. Conservatives seem to see the present as the only moment in time. Do you see things this way?

I don't think you know what liberal means.

"Liberals" in this country are not liberal, they're left wing authoritarians.

You vill not drink large soda becauze zat is vat ve tell you to do! It is for dein own gut, citizen!

 

[bshole]

I don't think you know what liberal means.

"Liberals" in this country are not liberal, they're left wing authoritarians.

Somebody give Bober a gold star or something, he just figured out that:

Liberal == left wing

Progress has been made! Next he will be supplying us with the answer to 1+1!

 

[IndyColtsFan]

I have long ago determine that you are blind so I will write on this opinion from a known idiot. You are banned. Nothing you will ever say will mean anything.

The self hate is strong in this one. Please look in the mirror and confront the demons haunting your eyes. Be liberated from the hatred within and then, and only then, can you see the light.

 

[BoberFett]

Somebody give Bober a gold star or something, he just figured out that:

Liberal == left wing

Progress has been made! Next he will be supplying us with the answer to 1+1!

Oh good, the court jester is back to entertain us.

You didn't understand a thing I wrote, did you? You've got all the intelligence of a single cell organism, you simply react to patterns of light.

 

[1prophet]

They made a movie about it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icmRCixQrx8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Vw2CrY9Igs

 

[Moonbeam]

I don't think you know what liberal means.

"Liberals" in this country are not liberal, they're left wing authoritarians.

As you choose to use liberal in that way, I choose to use it to mean left leaning libertarians. As a progressive faced with the hideousness of the authoritarian right, I completely reject that position. I believe that liberalness is a function of higher consciousness and emotional awareness of the nature of man, derived, of course, from self examination. One can't be self aware and reject the violence of the right, the authoritarian will to power, and not reject it completely. All moral behaviors that seeks to enforce themselves by violence lead only to more violence. Real morality is for the self only and is internally motivated. I would never force my will on others, but at the same time, there are limits to tolerance. I would not let young children play in the street so they can learn their own lessons nor would I let a blind man walk off a cliff. Your fear of control from others is a form of sickness, a fear that your own inferiority is implied by corrective measures. You allow your ego to dominate where common sense should hold sway. You believe you are a special snowflake, that the age of majority confers maturity. Your emotional immaturity doesn't bother me nor would I let it stop me from taking control of your actions in some situation where I could prevent you from great harm to yourself allowing you to go your own way and I could stop you. You assume that between an adult and a child, the adult doesn't know who is who.

 

[Moonbeam]

The self hate is strong in this one. Please look in the mirror and confront the demons haunting your eyes. Be liberated from the hatred within and then, and only then, can you see the light.

I was mimicking you. Glad you could see what you look like.

 

[moonbogg]

Someone tell me what the right way to think is, and the explain how to do that. In detail, please.

 

[norseamd]

Someone tell me what the right way to think is, and the explain how to do that. In detail, please.

Turn left.

 

[Newell Steamer]

In what direction is humanity evolving culturally and politically?

We are tired of lies.

We are tried of hearing how our democratically elected leader is a capitalist socialist extreme Christian Islamic terrorist who is suspected of rape, has a forged birth certificate and wants to place all of America in front of death panels over health insurance.

We have the power of accessing information at our fingertips. Calling out lies can happen almost immediately.

So, we can quickly and pretty easily filter out the crap. And, most of the crap is coming from the right.

We have been leaning more to the left - slowly but surly. And, it will get to the point where defective minds that once served a great purpose in preserving and protecting humanity will be the minority and phased out. It was great that conservatives warned us of lions and tigers and bear, but that kind of constant danger just isn't around anymore to the degree it use to be.

 

[Blue_Max]

We are tired of lies.

I sure hope so... we've got all kinds of groups benefiting greatly from lies as well as the "there's no such thing as truth" or "everyone has their own truth" crowds.

Right now we seem to be descending because of the huge ability to do almost anything we damn well please without having to answer to anyone for it.

Hedonism at its finest.