I will be just as critical of corrupt democrats or sellout democrats as I am on Republicans.. that is why I am independent. I must admit though I am excited that the Republicans were shown that their power went to their head. Hopefully we will have some ideas introduced now. I want stem cell research brought to the top, ethics reform, get the F out of Iraq, and to start reforming relations with the world.
JulesMaximus
No Lifer
- Jul 3, 2003
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Why is it that people feel the need to blast the other side or portray them as inept and/or evil? The Democrats won. Being angry and bitter isn't going to change it so all you can do is hope for the best and see how things shake out over the next couple years.
Originally posted by: Vic
Already selling off the votes for 08?
If the Top 1% don't like it, it's a free Country and they are free to leave.
True Americans will take their place.
What makes you think that we care how hard it is to post crap? As long as the country will be run better, which it definitely will.
blackangst1
Lifer
- Feb 23, 2005
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WTF are you talking about....I make 56k in the 5th largest city in the USA...hardly in the top %....
EDIT: For my city, Phoenix, and for my occupation, IT, I am 10-20% LESS than MEDIAN. So much for your accusation of me being in a top % income bracket....
http://www.payscale.com/research/US/City=Phoenix/Salary
Starbuck1975
Lifer
- Jan 6, 2005
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Hardly spin at all...the Democrats were very effective at leveraging anxiety across the country regarding Iraq, and it is fairly obvious that Iraq is ironically what motivated many voters to support the Democrats in this election.
However, if you look at other balance of power shifts in Congress over the past few decades (the six year itch), the Democrats taking of the House was of a smaller order of magnitude.
If anything, I suppose the Democrats should be happy that they managed NOT to screw up what should have been a given. Granted, the loss of the House is a fairly significant condemnation of Republican leadership over the past 6 years, and rightfully so. I am glad to see the House switch hands simply because I think it keeps both parties in check over the long run.
I am glad that the power shift seemingly motivated the resignation of Rummy, and losing the House will put Bush in check to a certain extent...and as an independent, that is a good thing.
However, I do not care for Pelosi as a politician either, and the Democrats did not gain so many seats that it will have a lasting effect if they fail to deliver...also, if you look across the political landscape, many of the Congressional races were quite close, and the Democrats that did win tended to do so while running on fairly moderate agendas.
The bottom line concern at this point should be what is best for America...and to me, that constitutes aggressive investment in alternative energy sources, health care reform, education reform, ending the war in Iraq, getting lobbyists and special interests out of Capitol Hill, etc. If the Democrats can deliver on those initiatives, they will earn my respect and vote.
56K, thanks now I know you're full of BS, you didn't get a tax cut.
As far as your investments, big deal, you invested in Oil instead of Tech, whoopie do.
You contributed to the biggest raping this Country has seen yet.
Oil should not even be an option at this point.
Fingolfin269
Lifer
- Feb 28, 2003
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Originally posted by: Vic
Everyone got a "tax cut," Dave, even the middle class. You must have a crappy accountant.
Way to throw away the votes you just got yesterday. And you doubt it when I say that the Dems are abandoning you!!
Yah Vic I never understood this argument. EVERYONE got a tax cut. The talking points are obvious coming from Dave.
Dave, show me proof that only rich people got tax breaks instead of repeating something you THINK.
Within hours of the Dems taking over the House *and* the Senate, they are talking of returning to balanced budgets within 5 years and pay-as-you-go budgeting. Too bad that party of fiscal conservatism (that happened to nearly double the national debt in 6 years) couldn't hold a candle to the Dems' fiscal responsibility.
Fingolfin269
Lifer
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Yup, they all make promises. I'd rather them throw out stuff like that while also telling me what they plan to do in the next year.
What an exquisitely dysfunctional line of reasoning, ProfJohn.
Dems have answers, except maybe for Iraq (as if the repubs have any, either). They'll craft legislation, and send it on to Dubya, who'll sign it into law or veto it...
This whole song and dance about Dems not having answers is getting tedious, and the whole thing repeated ad nauseum when Dubya vetoes their stuff will become much the same over the next 2 years...
It won't be Dems' fault if the wingnuts occupying the Executive branch won't accept reasonable answers, but rather the fault of the wingnuts themselves... They'll only discredit themselves further in the process, setting up even greater Dem victories in 2008...
And the Democratic Congress has a limited ability to affect the outcome of foreign occupations begun prior to their majority, as well. Dubya is the CinC, and was at the outset. Blaming the Dems for the morass in Iraq and the return of Afghanistan to the warlords is more than a stretch, it's a fantasy, a total disconnect from reality, and the electorate knows it.
Repubs had their chance, and blew it in an orgy of greed, fearmongering, misdirection and mismanagement. Now they get to pay the price, as do we all...
Dems have answers, except maybe for Iraq (as if the repubs have any, either). They'll craft legislation, and send it on to Dubya, who'll sign it into law or veto it...
This whole song and dance about Dems not having answers is getting tedious, and the whole thing repeated ad nauseum when Dubya vetoes their stuff will become much the same over the next 2 years...
It won't be Dems' fault if the wingnuts occupying the Executive branch won't accept reasonable answers, but rather the fault of the wingnuts themselves... They'll only discredit themselves further in the process, setting up even greater Dem victories in 2008...
And the Democratic Congress has a limited ability to affect the outcome of foreign occupations begun prior to their majority, as well. Dubya is the CinC, and was at the outset. Blaming the Dems for the morass in Iraq and the return of Afghanistan to the warlords is more than a stretch, it's a fantasy, a total disconnect from reality, and the electorate knows it.
Repubs had their chance, and blew it in an orgy of greed, fearmongering, misdirection and mismanagement. Now they get to pay the price, as do we all...
Clinton did it. What makes you think it won't happen now? Or are you hoping that they fail?
Sure sounds like it to me.
Hardly. Jim Webb and Jon Tester are probably more conservative than many Republicans. Honestly, I think it's great news. I like the idea of a more mixed party. I'd say looking at the Republicans of the last six years as an example of what happens when you have too many who think alike. You get nothing but groupthink and crap policies.
Also, as far as social security goes, it's hard to say what will happen. I mean, as much as people try and blame the Democrats, Bush's plan couldn't even get beyond a Republican controlled committee.
I am just laughing at your guilibility. They dangle the carrot in front of your face and you ask how far do I need to run?
Here is a prediction. They raise taxes, it closes the gap, economy slows down and they fail. Their goal is 5 years out so they have time to make up plenty of excuses. By the time the 5 years is up they already have a new 5 year plan ready to feed you, which you glady chase.
There is a reason why politicians make predictions a half a decade out. Because they know there isnt a way to make their unrealistic goals without some hardships. They are hoping for a miracle or our apathy to take hold as they formulate a new lie to feed us.
Here's the point I don't get about ProfJohn's theory. Obviously being a party with power opens you up to certain attacks from the other side that you "aren't doing anything", but I don't see how it will be a real difference. ProfJohn is talking like him and the rest of his Republican buddies have been perfectly quiet, reasonable people these last few years. Perhaps in some sort of alternate reality I wasn't invited to join, but here in the real world they've done nothing but bitch about the Democrats and the "lefties" as long as *I've* been posting here. Their party has held complete control of the government for several years, and STILL they bitching and bitched and bitched about the other side at great length at every possible opportunity. Maybe I lack imagination, but I'm having trouble seeing a situation where they are doing to do MORE complaining about the Dems.
And frankly, this spin is really, REALLY sad. I can forgive the over celebrating after 2004, trying to turn a skin-of-your-teeth win into the greatest election landslide in the history of the universe...although I think it's noteworthy that I have yet to see anything even half as annoying from the Dems here. But you guys lost, and if the Dems have any brains at all (which remains to be seen) they are going to use the next few years as a set up for 2008. Which isn't to say that this is some sort of trend or anything, I think this election was proof enough how quickly political fortunes can change. But seriously, you are NOT making yourselves look any better with the spin you're trying to put on this election.
And frankly, this spin is really, REALLY sad. I can forgive the over celebrating after 2004, trying to turn a skin-of-your-teeth win into the greatest election landslide in the history of the universe...although I think it's noteworthy that I have yet to see anything even half as annoying from the Dems here. But you guys lost, and if the Dems have any brains at all (which remains to be seen) they are going to use the next few years as a set up for 2008. Which isn't to say that this is some sort of trend or anything, I think this election was proof enough how quickly political fortunes can change. But seriously, you are NOT making yourselves look any better with the spin you're trying to put on this election.
Adding these "conservatives" is great news for the Democratic Party (and America) because when the dominant party moves to the center, we increase the chance of getting good legislation through compromise and civility.
Meanwhile I've been hearing that the Republicans lost because they weren't conservative enough (by the standards of their Base)?! Heck, move more to the Right, Republicans, and you'll be a "permanent minority".
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Vic
Already selling off the votes for 08?
If the Top 1% don't like it, it's a free Country and they are free to leave.
True Americans will take their place.
Actually, have you ever heard of the brain drain? The top 1% hires the majority of the people.. if they leave, where will the jobs be? JObs just don't grow on trees.. Communism showed us that. Without the rich, America would not be what it is today... Why do you think China is encouraging people to be "rich"... the rich, create jobs...
What you want is a free ride... steal peoples money by taxing them. It works for a little while, but them the economy turns into shiett and a lot of people are out of jobs... look at all the countries that have high taxes... 15%, 20% unemployment verses 4% unemployment in the US... by the way, guess whos goes into umemployment first... its usually the people on the fringe.. the people who are jealous of the rich...
-Eleison
ps. dmcowen674... are you jealous of the rich? ;-P
We are currently on course to have a balanced budget in around 5 years on the pace we are cutting the deficit right now...
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