Well sure they did--didn't they rag on Hillary? It started with her and the "evul liberul wave" snowballed from there, taking many "honorable" (hahahahahaha) Republicans out with it
Originally posted by: alien42
the last time a democrat was in charge the economy was incredible.
of course bush has set up the next president for failure in that department no matter who is elected.
You mean during the time of the internet bubble where companies were worth billions of dollars to sell nothing and people were paid 6 figures to put up a simple website?? without the internet bubble, did the democrats even have a plan to stimulate the economy???
Anyone could have been president and did good during the internet bubble... its what you do when the parties over and the Republicans with their tax cuts have shown they can create a robust econony..
In any case, I don't expect the liberals on this form to believe me... its their "day in the sun" ; at least for a while until their leaders who they help elect start trying to provide answers.. if they even have one...
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The economy today is as good or better than at any time under Clinton. Look at all the major indicators.Originally posted by: alien42
the last time a democrat was in charge the economy was incredible.
of course bush has set up the next president for failure in that department no matter who is elected.
The only sign of weakness is housing. Which had seem such a HUGE run up that a cool down was inevitable.
Big question is how will the press report the economy once Democrats take over? Will they still act like it is all doom and gloom, or will they change their tune?
BTW: Clinton took office while the economy was on its way out of a recession, and left it when it was on its way into a recession. He was VERY lucky in the timing of his Presidency.
Jaskalas
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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
The economy today is as good or better than at any time under Clinton. Look at all the major indicators.Originally posted by: alien42
the last time a democrat was in charge the economy was incredible.
of course bush has set up the next president for failure in that department no matter who is elected.
The only sign of weakness is housing. Which had seem such a HUGE run up that a cool down was inevitable.
Big question is how will the press report the economy once Democrats take over? Will they still act like it is all doom and gloom, or will they change their tune?
BTW: Clinton took office while the economy was on its way out of a recession, and left it when it was on its way into a recession. He was VERY lucky in the timing of his Presidency.
The economy reversed during his Presidency and was heading downhill.
Also John, the media won't report a good economy until Dems are fully in control, including the Presidency. That is when they'll have to sell their communism to us.
Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
The economy today is as good or better than at any time under Clinton. Look at all the major indicators.Originally posted by: alien42
the last time a democrat was in charge the economy was incredible.
of course bush has set up the next president for failure in that department no matter who is elected.
The only sign of weakness is housing. Which had seem such a HUGE run up that a cool down was inevitable.
Big question is how will the press report the economy once Democrats take over? Will they still act like it is all doom and gloom, or will they change their tune?
BTW: Clinton took office while the economy was on its way out of a recession, and left it when it was on its way into a recession. He was VERY lucky in the timing of his Presidency.
The economy reversed during his Presidency and was heading downhill.
Also John, the media won't report a good economy until Dems are fully in control, including the Presidency. That is when they'll have to sell their communism to us.
Of course you do suggest another reason Republicans lost. You are nuts.
Anybody who thinks our country is in the worst shape since the civil war must be in la la land.
Lets see, Great Depression, WWII, 1960s, 1970s energy crunch double digit inflation.
Yeah 4.4% unemployment, low inflation, and strong gdp growth. That definately is worse than any of the above examples. Sh1t, it may even be worse than the Civil War itself!
um...hang on...
"The economy today is as good or better than at any time under Clinton. Look at all the major indicators. "
If you want to cherry pick some indicators, that's great....but that statement as a whole is a crock of you-know-what.
Some of you right-wing die-hards need a clue, just like those too far on the left do. Democrats controlling the house and the senate can't possibly do any worse than the outgoing bunch did, though of course there is still the matter of the executive branch...for another 2 years anyway.
Those of you saying that the Dem's have no real plans - what exactly have the plans been for the past 3 or 4 years in Iraq? All the scare tactics of "a vote for a democrat is a vote for the terrorists" clearly didn't work, so other than distorting facts and issues, what 'plans' have been put into action? What else has this administration accomplished?
Btw, THEIR does not equate to THEY'RE - who is a teacher?
"The economy today is as good or better than at any time under Clinton. Look at all the major indicators. "
If you want to cherry pick some indicators, that's great....but that statement as a whole is a crock of you-know-what.
Some of you right-wing die-hards need a clue, just like those too far on the left do. Democrats controlling the house and the senate can't possibly do any worse than the outgoing bunch did, though of course there is still the matter of the executive branch...for another 2 years anyway.
Those of you saying that the Dem's have no real plans - what exactly have the plans been for the past 3 or 4 years in Iraq? All the scare tactics of "a vote for a democrat is a vote for the terrorists" clearly didn't work, so other than distorting facts and issues, what 'plans' have been put into action? What else has this administration accomplished?
Btw, THEIR does not equate to THEY'RE - who is a teacher?
Fern
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Originally posted by: Vic
Really, no politician in the American system is ever "in charge" of the economy. It just don't work that way. The economy might have been great with Clinton, but we almost had another Great Depression with Carter.Originally posted by: alien42
the last time a democrat was in charge the economy was incredible.
of course bush has set up the next president for failure in that department no matter who is elected.
The growing economy, or perception of such, under Clinton was largely driven by the ".com" phenom, which crashed under Clinton's own term.
I think Greenspan killed the bubble with his remarks & rate increases.
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I am not clear on who you are talking about in this quote?Originally posted by: Jaskalas
The economy reversed during his Presidency and was heading downhill.Originally posted by: ProfJohn
The economy today is as good or better than at any time under Clinton. Look at all the major indicators.Originally posted by: alien42
the last time a democrat was in charge the economy was incredible.
of course bush has set up the next president for failure in that department no matter who is elected.
The only sign of weakness is housing. Which had seem such a HUGE run up that a cool down was inevitable.
Big question is how will the press report the economy once Democrats take over? Will they still act like it is all doom and gloom, or will they change their tune?
BTW: Clinton took office while the economy was on its way out of a recession, and left it when it was on its way into a recession. He was VERY lucky in the timing of his Presidency.
Also John, the media won't report a good economy until Dems are fully in control, including the Presidency. That is when they'll have to sell their communism to us.
For Bush that is certainly the truth, economy was on the way down when he took over and he turned it around.
For Clinton thought the economy was already going UP when he took over, the only change Clinton saw was when it started to go down post 2000 and tech bubble burst.
Here is evidence that Clinton took over a good economy link
Both employment and GDP were on the way up when he took office.
All the democrats need to do to keep winning my votes are the following things:
1.) Don't lie us into any more ruinous wars.
2.) Don't shred the constitution any more then it already has been. If they can even patch over a few things like the torture bill and the warrantless wiretapping, even better!
3.) Stop bankrupting our country.
Iraq is already broken beyond all repair. Nobody can fix it. The republicans didn't deserve to lose because the democrats were somehow going to magically fix Iraq, they deserved to lose because they got us stuck there in the first place.
(yes, yes.. many democrats voted for the AUMF as well.. I know. It doesn't change the fact that the stupid war was a republican brainchild from the beginning)
1.) Don't lie us into any more ruinous wars.
2.) Don't shred the constitution any more then it already has been. If they can even patch over a few things like the torture bill and the warrantless wiretapping, even better!
3.) Stop bankrupting our country.
Iraq is already broken beyond all repair. Nobody can fix it. The republicans didn't deserve to lose because the democrats were somehow going to magically fix Iraq, they deserved to lose because they got us stuck there in the first place.
(yes, yes.. many democrats voted for the AUMF as well.. I know. It doesn't change the fact that the stupid war was a republican brainchild from the beginning)
Fern
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First, about this actually being a big win for the conservatives - I do think it may help the Repubs retain the Presidency, unless the Dems do really really well which I find unlikely.
Second, yes it was a win for the conservatives in that many of the winning Dem candidates seem like Repub clones. For example, in our district (Western NC) the winning Dem candidate is anti-abortion, pro-gun & opposed to gay marriage. No difference on the issues with the (former) Repub incumbant, just younger with a prettier face and glorious college football background.
Given his conservative views, how will he fit in with the Pelosi crowd?
With these conservative Dems, and a slim majority in the Senate, will the Dems be able to pass the liberal agends/laws that so many of their supporters want. Or, will there be much disappointment among the party loyal?
Now the Iraq situation is in thier lap. Heretofor, they have seemed divided as a party as to the solution they wish to pursue: How will they reconcile that? If they don't take some action, they may be able to blaim further problems on Bush but will appear useless nonetheless. If they do take action, they may take consequences for the result. And, IMHO, the situation could easily morph into something much much worse as far as the US electorate is concerned (much higher gas prices, vastly increased & wide spread instability)
Immigration is another issue now in their lap: What will they do? Up till now, the lack of action/progess could fairly be blamed on the Repubs. But the ball is now in their court, and reconciling the liberals & conservatives now in the Dem party will likely prove difficult. This may be the big issue in '08, to fumble here could hand a victory to Repubs.
Authority is a b!tch, and anyone who has had it realizes this. The old cliche "D@mned if you do: D@mned if you don't" is inescapable in many of these issues.
Fern
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The only one changing his tune today is the President. :laugh:Originally posted by: ProfJohn
"Will they still act like it is all doom and gloom, or will they change their tune?"
ummm their... as in it belongs to them... get it?
Maybe you need to go back to school yourself
SP33Demon
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And just what exactly are you trying to defend? A shattered ego? You aren't going to change anyone's political views here. Arguing on the internet is like the S-O.Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Let me clarify what I mean.
Democrats in power will be good for you personally.
But as a poster it will be hard on you.
Just like Republicans in power has been good for me personally, but as a poster it has been hell with TONS of personal attacks etc etc.
As a poster you can no longer hide behind the "they are not in power" line and instead will be in the position of defending them for their actions.
Much easier to attack than it is to defend. Trust me. I have been defending since August
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
"Will they still act like it is all doom and gloom, or will they change their tune?"
ummm their... as in it belongs to them... get it?
Maybe you need to go back to school yourself
Speaking of which, did you find out whether or not MO is in the Bible Belt?
Vic
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Well, it quite likely they will do something to "fsck things up." Yesterday's mandate from the people was based primarily off ending the War in Iraq. Which (ironically, because of my personal anti-war convictions) I hope they do. However, the defense industry is a trillion dollar business. Slashing that at the exact same time the housing industry is so soft could be disastrous. Think 1992, Clinton, Southern Californian defense and housing industries, and the movie "Falling Down."
umbrella39
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blackangst1
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Not for me...I guess my success trumps your failure eh?
*I make more money NOW than I did under Clinton. And I'm in IT.
*My income taxes are LESS now than they were under Clinton, even tho I make more money.
*My personal investments have grown more in the last 6 years than the 8 years Clinton was in office.
What were you saying again?
Good, then you are obviously in the top % that got the tax cuts that cut you from putting in your fair share.
Hope the Dems nail your group to the wall and fast to get that money in the coffers where it belongs.
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What it means is that it will be a lot more fun on P&N come Jan when the Democrats start trying to pass bills and all I have to do is bitch bitch bitch about anything and everything they do.
And when someone asks me for a solution all I have to say is "We don't need solutions, we are not in power"
Which is similar to what a lot of posters do now.
The Democrats now have the power to change thing they don't agree with. Let us see what they do with this power.
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