In retrospect...on that VP choice

[bdude]

...to steer the direction of the party in the direction he wants. Because even if she isn't successful in this election cycle, she will gain national exposure. If she rocks this speech tonite, then she has no ceiling in American politics as long as her story stays clean.

National campaigns have been launched on just as much in the past, so we'll see if she is up to the task in demonstrating her view of America to us in an intelligent and comprehensive manner.

 

[Starbuck1975]

The media surge to expose every aspect of this woman's life is a sad reflection on the state of journalism in this country. American politics have become a back and forth game of tabloid quality invented scandals, media created controversies, and ratings driven reporting.

I hope she delivers a strong, powerful and motivational speech that demonstrates just why McCain picked her.

 

[Rainsford]

But what the hell does she have going for her compared to other Republican hopefuls out there? I'm sure being nominated as VP helps launch a career, but why was it a strong and/or smart move for McCain to help launch her national career in particular? So far the only interesting thing about her that I can see is that she's a woman, and while that's great, the Republicans are hardly breaking new ground there. I just don't see how we can say yet whether she'll have staying power or not.

 

[nageov3t]

McCain took a risk... it could pay off, it could blow up in his face. but I guess that's the definition of risk.

Obama... voted present, if you will.

 

[Starbuck1975]

McCain took a risk... it could pay off, it could blow up in his face. but I guess that's the definition of risk.

Exactly...McCain cannot challenge the celebrity cult following of Obama, and Guiliani, Romney and Huckabee, while all qualified, were not exactly going to change that dynamic.

McCain needed to take a gamble and he needed to shake up the playing field a bit...Palin was the natural choice to do just that...just as the Democrats found their shining star in Obama, McCain is probably hoping that Palin provides the same level of energy to his campaign.

The media put Obama on a pedestal once he won Iowa, and then nearly tried to destroy him once Hillary started to gain momentum towards the end...Obama survived that trial by fire and emerged a stronger candidate for it.

Just look at the number of threads on Palin...remember how the Hillary supporters opened thread after thread questioning the credentials of Obama...criticizing his every move, and every aspect of his past...it was because Hillary supporters recognized Obama as a threat, and hoped a controversy would take hold that would sink his campaign...fortunately for Obama, that didn't happen...the same is now happening to Palin...and American politics are unpredictable in terms of what sticks and what doesn't.

Palin will go through the same trial by fire...if she similarly emerges strongly from this media frenzy, it could spell trouble for Obama & Biden.

And that is exactly what McCain is hoping will happen.

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: loki8481
McCain took a risk... it could pay off, it could blow up in his face. but I guess that's the definition of risk.

Obama... voted present, if you will.

Sorry, but I'd take Joe Biden over the would be book banner any day.

Obama chose WELL. McCain made a highly "cynical and gimmicky" choice lacking in substance. But, hey, don't take my word for it, listen to what long time Republican insiders Mike Murphy and Peggy Noonan think of McCain's choice of Palin when they think the mic is turned off.

 

[Jaskalas]

I hope she is innervating tonight, if only because Obama needs competition. I am worried she?ll talk about her family again and I?ll tune her out just as I did at her announcement speech.

 

[StageLeft]

Fvcking awesome, another Palin thread.

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: loki8481
McCain took a risk... it could pay off, it could blow up in his face. but I guess that's the definition of risk.

Obama... voted present, if you will.

Sorry, but I'd take Joe Biden over the would be book banner any day.

Obama chose WELL. McCain made a highly "cynical and gimmicky" choice lacking in substance. But, hey, don't take my word for it, listen to what long time Republican insiders Mike Murphy and Peggy Noonan think of McCain's choice of Palin when they think the mic is turned off.

if longtime Republican insiders aren't falling over with happiness... maybe that's a GOOD thing.

 

[bdude]

I can see her appeal to segments of the US population. If she comes across like a charm, because you can't deny that she does have a face for the camera, then a new potential repub star is born. Reagan did as much when he spoke before Gerald Ford at the 1980 convention. And he was just an actor...so it doesn't take much except for an excellent hand on rhetoric.

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: bdude
I can see her appeal to segments of the US population. If she comes across like a charm, because you can't deny that does have a face for the camera, then a new potential repub star is born. Reagan did as much when he spoke before Gerald Ford at the 1980 convention. And he was just an actor...so it doesn't take much except for an excellent hand on rhetoric.

Compared to her cronies she is hot. She'll deliver a good speech, the media will gush and fawn and pretend like the other issues about her are meaningless, at least for a while, it is so predictable. Tomorrow the media will go cock-stiff over her fabricated speech just like they did after Colin Powell's ramble of filth in the run up to Iraq.

 

[dahunan]

I find it very frightening that we have Talibanners in our highest levels of govt

 

[Moonbeam]

It was a brilliant and unexpected move on the part of McCain to nominate a dog catcher from nowhere to be his running mate.

 

[seemingly random]

Originally posted by: bdude
...to steer the direction of the party in the direction he wants. Because even if she isn't successful in this election cycle, she will gain national exposure. If she rocks this speech tonite, then she has no ceiling in American politics as long as her story stays clean.

National campaigns have been launched on just as much in the past, so we'll see if she is up to the task in demonstrating her view of America to us in an intelligent and comprehensive manner.

But the story can't ever be clean. She's a fundie that wants to tell you what you can and cannot do in your bedroom.

 

[shrumpage]

Originally posted by: seemingly random

Originally posted by: bdude
...to steer the direction of the party in the direction he wants. Because even if she isn't successful in this election cycle, she will gain national exposure. If she rocks this speech tonite, then she has no ceiling in American politics as long as her story stays clean.

National campaigns have been launched on just as much in the past, so we'll see if she is up to the task in demonstrating her view of America to us in an intelligent and comprehensive manner.

But the story can't ever be clean. She's a fundie that wants to tell you what you can and cannot do in your bedroom.

really? I must have missed that plank of the platform, can you elaborate on that a bit?

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
It was a brilliant and unexpected move on the part of McCain to nominate a popular governor from an important state to be his running mate.

:thumbsup:

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Fvcking awesome, another Palin thread.

Well she is going to be the first woman President.

 

[seemingly random]

Originally posted by: shrumpage

Originally posted by: seemingly random

Originally posted by: bdude
...to steer the direction of the party in the direction he wants. Because even if she isn't successful in this election cycle, she will gain national exposure. If she rocks this speech tonite, then she has no ceiling in American politics as long as her story stays clean.

National campaigns have been launched on just as much in the past, so we'll see if she is up to the task in demonstrating her view of America to us in an intelligent and comprehensive manner.

But the story can't ever be clean. She's a fundie that wants to tell you what you can and cannot do in your bedroom.

really? I must have missed that plank of the platform, can you elaborate on that a bit?

They don't state this explicitly but it's what fundie's want. This can't be news to you - hopefully you're not this naive.

 

[hellokeith]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Fvcking awesome, another Palin thread.

Well she is going to be the first woman President.

Wow, Dave.

You've already predicted a McCain victory, and now you are committing to him dying in office?

 

[shrumpage]

Originally posted by: seemingly random

Originally posted by: shrumpage

Originally posted by: seemingly random

Originally posted by: bdude
...to steer the direction of the party in the direction he wants. Because even if she isn't successful in this election cycle, she will gain national exposure. If she rocks this speech tonite, then she has no ceiling in American politics as long as her story stays clean.

National campaigns have been launched on just as much in the past, so we'll see if she is up to the task in demonstrating her view of America to us in an intelligent and comprehensive manner.

But the story can't ever be clean. She's a fundie that wants to tell you what you can and cannot do in your bedroom.

really? I must have missed that plank of the platform, can you elaborate on that a bit?

They don't state this explicitly but it's what fundie's want. This can't be news to you - hopefully you're not this naive.

No its not nativity. It is me calling you out on something that is false. A conclusion reached in your mind by what you think the 'other side' believes.

So do you care to elaborate or are you just going to spout random falsehoods?

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: seemingly random

She's a fundie that wants to tell you what you can and cannot do in your bedroom.

That's the GOP mantra America loves for the past 8 years wants it to stay permanent.

 

[Stoneburner]

Sarah Palin may be an impressive political creature. We don't know that yet.

The problem is, the process by which mccain picked her demonstrates FORCEFULLY that MCCAIN IS INCOMPETENT. To have such a massive disaster, and to show you can't even vet a VP properly is an EMBARRASSMENT. McCain dropped the ball. There is no denying that now.

It' funny because, in essence, McCain backed his way into the nomination by accident because nobody liked giuliani or romney and thompson was useless. Huckabee was the only strong personality and the establishment disowned him like they disowned mccain in 2000. So basically, McCain was the default choice in a weak field.

Palin also backed into the VP slot, by all accounts. She was never vetted thoroughly because McCain wanted Ridge or Lieberman and Rove and Bush and the establishment wanted Romney. McCain said fuck it all and just picked Palin.

This affair speaks to deep divide in the GOP and it speaks to breathtaking unprofessionalism from McCain.

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: loki8481
McCain took a risk... it could pay off, it could blow up in his face. but I guess that's the definition of risk.

Obama... voted present, if you will.

Sorry, but I'd take Joe Biden over the would be book banner any day.

Obama chose WELL. McCain made a highly "cynical and gimmicky" choice lacking in substance. But, hey, don't take my word for it, listen to what long time Republican insiders Mike Murphy and Peggy Noonan think of McCain's choice of Palin when they think the mic is turned off.

So what it boils down to is which Amendments of the bill of rights do you like more. Obama AND Biden want to strip me of my 2nd Amendment Rights. As long as WE have our Second Amendment Rights we have the chance of keeping the rest of them.
Politicians on both sides want control. You can not control those that resist or fight back.

 

[brencat]

She did great tonight. Seems like a fiesty woman -- I like that. Went after BO pretty good yet kept it professional. And this woman can shoot a gun and is good looking too. I'm sold.

 

[sportage]

If the country needs a dog fight instead of unity, then the GOP is the way to go.
If people want to be ruled by a Rush Limbaugh mentality, then the GOP is the way to go.
And where will it get us in 4 more years? No where.

Republicans laughing at a woman laughing at a black mans devotion in helping
inner city poor kids.... well you make the call.
And they have the nerve to have the flag waving in the background...