In poor New York neighborhoods, residents ask: Where are the police?

[boomerang]

If the police are not doing their jobs there are three possible reasons. Either their direct superiors are condoning the actions, their direct superiors are following orders from a higher authority or the police union is all powerful and will allow this type of behavior. I suspect it's a combination of all three. But continue to blame the guys at the bottom of the food chain. It's a simple solution to a complex problem and we all know the left loves those simple "solutions".

 

[glenn1]

Not everyone living in impoverished parts of town are street thugs. There are children, elderly, and normal citizens like anyone else. Dumb thugs mark up their streets because their world view doesn't extend beyond the block. We shouldn't give up on the other citizens because of the moronic gangs.

I'm sure it has nothing to do with some paint. It makes for an figurative connection for the author to twist into a well-known idiom. I'm not sure what's up with the NYPD right now. They've had enough cooling off period, time to get back to work.

Either dumb thugs are the majority in which case the police not being there is an expression of the will of the people, or the "other citizens" have given up on themselves for not using their force of numbers to control the dumb thugs. Either way, if they don't like it they can either be the change they seek or move to the suburbs like the civilized people did long ago.

 

[Subyman]

Either dumb thugs are the majority in which case the police not being there is an expression of the will of the people, or the "other citizens" have given up on themselves for not using their force of numbers to control the dumb thugs. Either way, if they don't like it they can either be the change they seek or move to the suburbs like the civilized people did long ago.

Someone living in a $200 a month rental home can't possibly make it to the suburbs. I don't think you understand the violence of gangs if you think normal citizens can successfully organize against them. Not even the US government can clean them up (and it seems they've given up.)

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Interesting. I didn't know that if you had certain types of public duties it was okay to stop doing your job and collect a full paycheck because someone said something mean to you.

Thanks for clearing that up.

How many police are in the area compared to times before the ruckus?

 

[glenn1]

Someone living in a $200 a month rental home can't possibly make it to the suburbs. I don't think you understand the violence of gangs if you think normal citizens can successfully organize against them. Not even the US government can clean them up (and it seems they've given up.)

Doesn't matter so long as the dumb thugs remain dumb and choose to remain in the ghetto rather than going across town to loot the brownstones. When that happens people like Eskimospy will lose their shit and demand the police go Kent State on them.

 

[fskimospy]

Doesn't matter so long as the dumb thugs remain dumb and choose to remain in the ghetto rather than going across town to loot the brownstones. When that happens people like Eskimospy will lose their shit and demand the police go Kent State on them.

You keep conveniently forgetting that I've actually lived in really poor neighborhoods and gotten along just fine. Not everyone shares your terror.

 

[fskimospy]

How many police are in the area compared to times before the ruckus?

Clearly police activity isn't measured by the number of police in an area but by the actions they take. Nobody cares if a school is filled with teachers if they aren't teaching anyone.

I for one don't mind these minor laws not being enforced, but that's not a call for the individual cops or the police union to make.

 

[glenn1]

You keep conveniently forgetting that I've actually lived in really poor neighborhoods and gotten along just fine. Not everyone shares your terror.

Funny because I grew up in a poor neighborhood and couldn't wait to get the fuck out. You view it as some sort of exotic tourist destination.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Clearly police activity isn't measured by the number of police in an area but by the actions they take. Nobody cares if a school is filled with teachers if they aren't teaching anyone.

I for one don't mind these minor laws not being enforced, but that's not a call for the individual cops or the police union to make.

I read a story where people are telling anecdotes about there being less of a police presence. I'd like to know what that translates into in objective terms.

 

[fskimospy]

Funny because I grew up in a poor neighborhood and couldn't wait to get the fuck out. You view it as some sort of exotic tourist destination.

Haha, it's funny how quickly you shift.

You start off with "you would never get near those dirty poor people".

Then when you find out I have it goes to "you must just be a ghetto tourist".

There's never one second where you reconsider your original thought which is that everyone else must have the same seething hatred of cities and poor neighborhoods that you do.

 

[fskimospy]

I read a story where people are telling anecdotes about there being less of a police presence. I'd like to know what that translates into in objective terms.

I can say from my experience I haven't noticed any decline in the numbers of police, but it's not like I've been counting.

 

[glenn1]

Haha, it's funny how quickly you shift.

You start off with "you would never get near those dirty poor people".

Then when you find out I have it goes to "you must just be a ghetto tourist".

There's never one second where you reconsider your original thought which is that everyone else must have the same seething hatred of cities and poor neighborhoods that you do.

Or maybe there's a third alternative, that you feel kinship with the dumb thugs and want the fascist pigs out also. And maybe you hope the brownstones get looted so you can join the mob.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I can say from my experience I haven't noticed any decline in the numbers of police, but it's not like I've been counting.

The people who make complaints may very well be relating the facts, or they could be passing on perceptions without direct knowledge of the situation. In either case I'm not going to say they are lying, but not patrolling is a serious thing indeed. My suspicions about this story don't center around the police or the citizen but to be blunt "news" stories are often less than impartial or factual and my perception is that has become increasingly the case over time. There was a story I came across where the recent SpaceX launch was a complete failure. The cargo did not reach the ISS, and the booster fell into the ocean. I'm sure that the people aboard the space station would have been surprised to learn they didn't get their things. That's not even an emotionally charged topic, but sadly just the reporting of the "facts". It's difficult for me to trust stories without some data behind them and that's not the fault of anyone besides the writer and editorial staff. As far as drawing conclusions from such articles all one has to do is recall the job done by the press regarding Michael Brown, which I do not believe to be one of the high points in American journalism.

 

[fskimospy]

Or maybe there's a third alternative, that you feel kinship with the dumb thugs and want the fascist pigs out also. And maybe you hope the brownstones get looted so you can join the mob.

The important thing is that I'm bad somehow!

 

[bshole]

The important thing is that I'm bad somehow!

My contacts have informed me that EVERYBODY is bad except Glenn1.

 

[cubby1223]

Haha, it's funny how quickly you shift.

You start off with "you would never get near those dirty poor people".

Then when you find out I have it goes to "you must just be a ghetto tourist".

There's never one second where you reconsider your original thought which is that everyone else must have the same seething hatred of cities and poor neighborhoods that you do.

There are varying degrees of poor neighborhoods. For a few months I lived out in a small country town with a very poor population. Never once felt threatened there, everyone was friendly. Then there are neighborhoods around Chicago that there is no fucking way I would ever get near, even if just to drive through. glenn1 is speaking strangely, but in this respect, he is correct, far more people avoid these places than embrace them. It's just a matter of who's willing to be honest when talking in public.

 

[Dari]

Lots of nonsense in this thread. Starting with the OP. Fact is, people appreciate the police, so long as they're not abusing their power and killing innocent people like Akai Gurley. If they weren't harrassing innocent people on a regular basis then I'm sure recent events would not have occured.

These recent events remind me of a documentary I saw about snakes. There's a common misconception that the most dangerous place in the world is between a snake and her eggs. But the documentary showed the opposite. When a threat came the mother snake ran for her life, abandoning her eggs. Same thing with how these cops are acting. When 2 are taken out for the mistreatment and killings of innocent people, instead of being tough they just run away like that bitch snake in the documentary. Shameful.

 

[master_shake_]

You're comparing apples and oranges and you know it. The duties of a garbage collector are not comparable to the duties of a LEO. I'm not going to bother pointing out the difference as you'll only argue for the next 20 pages about some minute irrelevant point of why you're correct. The only valid comparison that comes to mind is that public service workers can screw up royally and still keep their jobs, unlike many in the private sector.

you're right if a garbage man screws up he gets fired.

 

[Fern]

The other day someone told the garbage man that he was doing a bad job, so his solution was to simply not pick up the garbage anymore while still collecting a paycheck. Seemed reasonable to me.

If this were literally any other public sector work force but the police conservatives would be up in arms about this.

Nah, we're just sitting back in our lawn chairs, munching popcorn and watching. It's too enjoyable to interrupt.

The Progressive Capital of the USA in a fight with one of it's unions, a darling of the progressives. And all caused by a boneheaded progressive politician throwing his employees under the bus for personal political gain. Another delicious bit is that he's likely killed his political career.

And your suggestion is to fire the police for following their union? Bwuhaha. They're unionized! Good luck with that. Plus, there's all that red tape progressives like to enact for trying to fire a govt employee (which police are).

Hahaha. This is hilarious.

Fern

 

[cabri]

Lots of nonsense in this thread. Starting with the OP. Fact is, people appreciate the police, so long as they're not abusing their power and killing innocent people like Akai Gurley. If they weren't harrassing innocent people on a regular basis then I'm sure recent events would not have occured.

These recent events remind me of a documentary I saw about snakes. There's a common misconception that the most dangerous place in the world is between a snake and her eggs. But the documentary showed the opposite. When a threat came the mother snake ran for her life, abandoning her eggs. Same thing with how these cops are acting. When 2 are taken out for the mistreatment and killings of innocent people, instead of being tough they just run away like that bitch snake in the documentary. Shameful.

If the LEO does not feel that they are being supported by the public and the politicians (LEO and civilian); they are not going to put forth additional effort.

However, because there is the perception (right or wrong) against the police; people express their frustration by trying to indicate that the LEO is not desired.

But then they also complain when their actions are accepted as truth.

As was stated, be careful what you wish for; it may come true and the wish was just expression not something actually requested/needed.

 

[Fern]

If the police are not doing their jobs there are three possible reasons. Either their direct superiors are condoning the actions, their direct superiors are following orders from a higher authority or the police union is all powerful and will allow this type of behavior. I suspect it's a combination of all three. But continue to blame the guys at the bottom of the food chain. It's a simple solution to a complex problem and we all know the left loves those simple "solutions".

I think it's simply the union doing what unions do: either strike or hold a work slow down. They've chosen the latter.

The people who are all outraged here are the same ones that support such union actions elsewhere: When it's against a Repub politician (Scott Walker) or biz owners/shareholders.

They also argue against conservatives on the topic of public sector unions. They strongly support public sectors unions, at least until it's a public sector union in their own liberal city.

BTW: Looks to me like the police are still protecting citizens. They're just not writing the 'Mickey Mouse' tickets. You know the ones that the town of Ferguson writes and collects revenue on - which is horrible and must be stopped!. Now in NYC if the police are NOT writing tickets; That's horrible!

Fern

 

[CitizenKain]

I think it's simply the union doing what unions do: either strike or hold a work slow down. They've chosen the latter.

The people who are all outraged here are the same ones that support such union actions elsewhere: When it's against a Repub politician (Scott Walker) or biz owners/shareholders.

They also argue against conservatives on the topic of public sector unions. They strongly support public sectors unions, at least until it's a public sector union in their own liberal city.

BTW: Looks to me like the police are still protecting citizens. They're just not writing the 'Mickey Mouse' tickets. You know the ones that the town of Ferguson writes and collects revenue on - which is horrible and must be stopped!. Now in NYC if the police are NOT writing tickets; That's horrible!

Fern

Its funny that the police are essentially a rightwing union, everytime the rightwing trashes unions, they always have a clause "Except the police union, because we have the same goal, making things miserable for anyone who isn't rich and white." You know, and bust up left wing protests while ignoring rightwing ones.

 

[Dari]

If the LEO does not feel that they are being supported by the public and the politicians (LEO and civilian); they are not going to put forth additional effort.

However, because there is the perception (right or wrong) against the police; people express their frustration by trying to indicate that the LEO is not desired.

But then they also complain when their actions are accepted as truth.

As was stated, be careful what you wish for; it may come true and the wish was just expression not something actually requested/needed.

Please. Do your fucking job and do it right. Don't abuse your position is all people are asking for. I get it, a lot of the commands like 'Stop-n-frisk' and going after sellers of untaxed cigs come from higher up. But it does not change the fact that police often abuse their powers, especially in poor neighborhoods. That is a reason why they are despised. If commanders are preventing the patrol cops from patrolling these neighborhoods then, again, it's the fault of the higher-ups. But if they're taking the initiative on their own to save their own skin, then they're pussies and should either quit or be fired. They are an embarrassment to the good cops that have fallen while doing their jobs admirably.

Also, let's not forget that the majority of these neighborhoods are filled with hardworking people. It's the criminals that do not want the police around so they can ply their trade and settle scores with immunity. The good people simply want the cops to do their jobs, nothing more nothing less.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Please. Do your fucking job and do it right.

OK, I'll ask you the same question I asked earlier, not "I saw his kneeling with his hands up and he was shot in the back" anecdotes but something which backs up claims that crime is increased because the police aren't patrolling, indeed that they aren't patrolling to begin with. What is really going in? The residents aren't getting ticketed as much as they were? You say "not doing their jobs." Well we know that not as many cars are being ticketed. We have heard that they aren't hauling kids off to jail for a joint. Show something credible that goes beyond this and I'm all over it, because then we're talking serious violations of law. If you've read my comments elsewhere I've been critical of the President for allowing the entire state of Colorado to commit felonies related to MJ. Consequently the federal "cops" aren't enforcing the law when the President being the chief executive could direct the DEA to reschedule MJ. If he can tell the DOJ what and what not to do then he can do the same with the DEA, another executive branch entity. Note that this is an expressly granted power included in the law itself.

Does that mean I want the government of Colorado locked up? No, and neither those who are using MJ. I would have it done ideally by Congress, but that did not and won't happen, but much can be done to mitigate the penalties for use if descheduled.

So getting back to the NYPD, yes they should be ticketing because that's their job, but if that warrants firings, then what about the two headed serpent of Obama and Holder dismissing not parking tickets but felonies? Surely removal from office ought to follow as a similar penalty. Impeach, remove from office and perhaps prosecute? I'm thinking no, and pretty much the same IF we're looking at similar non enforcement of legally far lesser crimes like parking.

Now if it does turn out that the police see robberies and do nothing, or aren't patrolling an area entirely then that is in my mind an entirely different matter.

 

[fskimospy]

I think it's simply the union doing what unions do: either strike or hold a work slow down. They've chosen the latter.

The people who are all outraged here are the same ones that support such union actions elsewhere: When it's against a Repub politician (Scott Walker) or biz owners/shareholders.

Actually I'm totally for people striking and protesting, but I'm not for people going to work, collecting a full paycheck, and not doing their job. This is pretty easy to understand, no?

They also argue against conservatives on the topic of public sector unions. They strongly support public sectors unions, at least until it's a public sector union in their own liberal city.

Or maybe they oppose the actions of one public sector union in this particular case. This is also pretty easy to understand, no?

Interesting that conservatives are so supportive of public sector unions in this case, considering how much they hate them normally. I can only imagine the meltdown if teachers decided to go to work and not teach.

BTW: Looks to me like the police are still protecting citizens. They're just not writing the 'Mickey Mouse' tickets. You know the ones that the town of Ferguson writes and collects revenue on - which is horrible and must be stopped!. Now in NYC if the police are NOT writing tickets; That's horrible!

Fern

You must be doing this intentionally at this point, or you're consuming too much right wing media again.

People are not mad at the lack of 'broken windows' policing. At all. People are mad at the insubordination of the police. This is also in no way difficult to understand.

Maybe people who are so far away from NYC who consume a lot of conservative media have had their ideas distorted about what is happening here, but I have not heard a single person in NYC complain about the NYPD not writing tickets because of revenue.