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So...86% of the world's population is deluded and can't think for themselves as you obviously can. /facepalm

And your logic? There is no logical proof that exists which would prove your premise.

The self-delusion is strong with you.

Firstly 86%?! Wtf. It's not 86% in the UK, secondly if that statistic is accurate then it would be based on the middle east, which is still in the dark ages and china where people would rather gather together in a religion as they can't really gather together in any other area.

Thirdly I was talking about organized mainstream religions, There's no way 86% of the world are a member of them.

Fourthly, Yes those people are deluded, or they are suffering with no way out but to join a group of some sort.

Fifthly. People who base their life on a 2 thousand year old book, and their imaginary friends... Need help./ facepalm.
 
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Firstly 86%?! Wtf. It's not 86% in the UK, secondly if that statistic is accurate then it would be based on the middle east, which is still in the dark ages and china where people would rather gather together in a religion as they can't really gather together in any other area.

Thirdly I was talking about organized mainstream religions, There's no way 86% of the world are a member of them.
http://richleebruce.com/mystat.html

Fourthly, Yes those people are deluded, or they are suffering with no way out but to join a group of some sort.
Not everyone can be as enlightened as you.

Fifthly. People who base their life on a 2 thousand year old book, and their imaginary friends... Need help./ facepalm.
I thought we were talking about religions in general...silly me....I can now see the root of your bigotry.
 

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http://richleebruce.com/mystat.html

Not everyone can be as enlightened as you.

I thought we were talking about religions in general...silly me....I can now see the root of your bigotry.

You are honesty trying to argue with me about statistics taken from a site that says "This page has been moved from geocities.com" This is my point, people base their arguments and beliefs on crap! Like sites that were made by 12 year olds or the bible.

Everyone has the capacity to reason, to think for them selves, everyone can be as enlightened as me.

Edit: According to the site you quoted only 2.3% of people are atheist. That is wrong.
 
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You are honesty trying to argue with me about statistics taken from a site that says "This page has been moved from geocities.com" This is my point, people base their arguments and beliefs on crap! Like sites that were made by 12 year olds or the bible.

Wow...and to think that these stats are used by Encyclopedia Britannica. But in their defense...I'm sure their editors had no idea that 12 year olds were making this shit up!

Everyone has the capacity to reason, to think for them selves, everyone can be as enlightened as me.
ROFL...you are so full of yourself! Thanks for the laugh!

Edit: According to the site you quoted only 2.3% of people are atheist. That' is wrong.
Perhaps you're right...Wikipedia says 2.5% (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_atheism)
Damn...it's sure hard to fool a smart guy like you.
 
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Wow...and to think that these stats are used by Encyclopedia Britannica. Damn...I'm sure their editors had no idea that 12 year olds were making this shit up!


ROFL...you are so full of yourself! Thanks for the laugh!


Perhaps you're right...Wikipedia says 2.5% (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_atheism)
Damn...it's sure hard to fool a smart guy like you.

Only 2.5% don't have imaginary friends... Wow. That's not the case where I come from.
 

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Wow...it's all just so fucking simple for you...amazing.
Look at the history of man...the evidence is irrefutable.

'Mental giants' find these things to be quite simple...thanks for sharing the 'obvious' with those of us who are less 'gifted'.

Read H.C. Andersen's "the Emperors new clothes".
It is really simple if you discard indoctrination and keep an obejtive mind.

So...86% of the world's population is deluded and can't think for themselves as you obviously can. /facepalm

And your logic? There is no logical proof that exists which would prove your premise.

The self-delusion is strong with you.

The fallacy is stong with you!
Can one man be wrong?
Yes.
Then can 86% of men also be wrong:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum

Look at it this way:
When the majority of people BELIVED the Earth was flat...it wasn't.
 

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There are more atheists in the scandinavian countries (percentage wise) :p

I struggle to believe that the other guys stats are correct, based on my own observations. Still Scandinavia looks like it has a higher IQ than the rest of the word percentage wise.
 

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I struggle to believe that the other guys stats are correct, based on my own observations. Still Scandinavia looks like it has a higher IQ than the rest of the word percentage wise.

I think it's something along ~30% atheists in Denmark, Sweden, Norway and Finland on average.
Some ~10% religous people in those contries...and the the rest who has these "fuzzy-warm-feelings"...but dosn't subcribe to any of the normal superstions...more along the lines of astrology/reincarnation/there-must-be-something.

Scandinavian are also amongst the richest people...and the happiest people in the world...hence we have a lesser need for an invisible "spacedaddy" to hold our hands.
 

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I think it's something along ~30% atheists in Denmark, Sweden, Norway and Finland on average.
Some ~10% religous people in those contries...and the the rest who has these "fuzzy-warm-feelings"...but dosn't subcribe to any of the normal superstions...more along the lines of astrology/reincarnation/there-must-be-something.

Scandinavian are also amongst the richest people...and the happiest people in the world...hence we have a lesser need for an invisible "spacedaddy" to hold our hands.

Thats cool, I love Denmark my dad used to spend a lot of time there for work, so I went there a lot as a kid.
 
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Are you displaying good "christian" behavior now? :)
I am what I am and don't pretend to be something I'm not. I have little patience for pretentious bigots who fancy themselves as 'intelligent' while being totally oblivious to the magnitude of their ignorance.

You do know that biggotry and doublestandards are very common amongst people infected with the cognetive virus called religion?
Interesting sentence...3 misspellings while attempting to insult and discredit the intelligence of others. Wow....that says it all.
 

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I am what I am and don't pretend to be something I'm not. I have little patience for pretentious bigots who fancy themselves as 'intelligent' while being totally oblivious to the magnitude of their ignorance.


Interesting sentence...3 misspellings while attempting to insult and discredit the intelligence of others. Wow....that says it all.

Firstly I am not ignorant, I have studied religious theology and philosophy for 3 years, and I have a 2:1 Degree in it.

Secondly I'm not a bigot, I am someone who is being forced to live in a world where I have to accept the fact that the majority of the people surrounding me believe in unicorns and fairys because they have not sat down and thought about any of the crap they are being spoon-fed. More than that I don't just have to accept it, but people pressure me not to offend their delusions! It's moronic.

I am intelligent, I'm not a genius, I know many religious types who are intelligent, they have just never had the insight to sit down and question the moronic drivel they have read in an archaic book, and despite the scientific evidence to the contrary they stick their fingers in their ears and "pray".
 
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Firstly I am not ignorant, I have studied religious theology and philosophy for 3 years, and I have a 2:1 Degree in it.
Then I suggest that you study some more...at least enough to get an inkling of the enormity of your ignorance on these subjects. Human beings are innately spiritual...logic/intelligence has nothing to do with it. You happen to share your "belief" with approximately 2.5% of the world's population and "believe" it is intelligent and logical. Yet, you cannot logically prove the fundamental basis for your "belief"...isn't that curious? BTW, this also applies the the remaining 97.5% of the world's population the have different "beliefs" than you. Since you're obviously intelligent, on what logical basis can you (or anyone) argue that your "beliefs" are indeed fact? Is this not an exercise rooted in abject ignorance?

Secondly I'm not a bigot, I am someone who is being forced to live in a world where I have to accept the fact that the majority of the people surrounding me believe in unicorns and fairys because they have not sat down and thought about any of the crap they are being spoon-fed. More than that I don't just have to accept it, but people pressure me not to offend their delusions! It's moronic.
Your words betray you.

I am intelligent, I'm not a genius, I know many religious types who are intelligent, they have just never had the insight to sit down and question the moronic drivel they have read in an archaic book, and despite the scientific evidence to the contrary they stick their fingers in their ears and "pray".
Sigh. The beliefs of human beings in general are based on personal experiences...consider this...perhaps you have not experienced what others have. Isn't it interesting that you trivialize and demean the vast majority of the world's population...essentially everyone who has different beliefs than you. Hmmm...sorry, but that doesn't exactly strike me as a very intelligent perspective.
 

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Then I suggest that you study some more...at least enough to get an inkling of the enormity of your ignorance on these subjects. Human beings are innately spiritual...logic/intelligence has nothing to do with it. You happen to share your "belief" with approximately 2.5% of the world's population and "believe" it is intelligent and logical. Yet, you cannot logically prove the fundamental basis for your "belief"...isn't that curious? BTW, this also applies the the remaining 97.5% of the world's population the have different "beliefs" than you. Since you're obviously intelligent, on what logical basis can you (or anyone) argue that your "beliefs" are indeed fact? Is this not an exercise rooted in abject ignorance?

Your ignorance is unparalleled in my experience not only do you think that logic is some kind of belief, but you think that "spirituality" is something innate rather than a human construct, logic is infallible your belief system is completely relative to you. I have studied enough to know that the differences between every major religion are minimal, going back thousands of years people have heard voices, seen shapes in clouds and assumed that odin or someone is sat on a cloud making things happen, even though there is no logic to back this up. Logic is absolute. Not a belief which is completely relative. 1+1 always = 2.

Your words betray you.
No idea what you mean by this.

Sigh. The beliefs of human beings in general are based on personal experiences...consider this...perhaps you have not experienced what others have. Isn't it interesting that you trivialize and demean the vast majority of the world's population...essentially everyone who has different beliefs than you. Hmmm...sorry, but that doesn't exactly strike me as a very intelligent perspective.

Beliefs are based on personal experience, this is exactly my point beliefs are biased and clouded by the judgement and experience of the individual. It's interesting that the majority of the worlds population accept logical absurdities. All scriptures have less fact in them than logic can provide. You're very quick to attempt to pick apart the my individual statements, but you are not prepared to put forward any of your own in response, instead you hide behind absurd statistics, perhaps because you know that you cannot defend your own beliefs without saying things like "because I have faith" in fact you have no reason to believe the lies you've been fed, and as such you are not prepared to argue with me about them, in opposition however you know that my theories are backed with scientific fact and logical debate.
 
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Your ignorance is unparalleled in my experience not only do you think that logic is some kind of belief, but you think that "spirituality" is something innate rather than a human construct, logic is infallible your belief system is completely relative to you. I have studied enough to know that the differences between every major religion are minimal, going back thousands of years people have heard voices, seen shapes in clouds and assumed that odin or someone is sat on a cloud making things happen, even though there is no logic to back this up. Logic is absolute. Not a belief which is completely relative. 1+1 always = 2.
I never said nor inferred that "logic is some kind of belief" and am amazed that you could somehow come to this conclusion. Wow.

But I will agree with you on one thing...logic is absolute. I look forward to seeing your logical proof that God does not exist.

No idea what you mean by this.
I'm not surprised.

Beliefs are based on personal experience, this is exactly my point beliefs are biased and clouded by the judgement and experience of the individual. It's interesting that the majority of the worlds population accept logical absurdities. All scriptures have less fact in them than logic can provide. You're very quick to attempt to pick apart the my individual statements, but you are not prepared to put forward any of your own in response, instead you hide behind absurd statistics, perhaps because you know that you cannot defend your own beliefs without saying things like "because I have faith" in fact you have no reason to believe the lies you've been fed, and as such you are not prepared to argue with me about them, in opposition however you know that my theories are backed with scientific fact and logical debate.
Absurd statistics? Hmmm...these statistics are currently used by Wikipedia and Encyclopedia Britannica...yet you don't like them, so they must be absurd. I'll chalk this one up as another one of your "intelligent" perspectives.

Look...you have no clue as to what I believe...yet you assume you do. Surely you know that sweeping stereotypes are rooted in profound ignorance...no?

In addition to a logical proof for atheism, I look forward to seeing the scientific facts that prove this "theory".
 

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I never said nor inferred that "logic is some kind of belief" and am amazed that you could somehow come to this conclusion. Wow.

But I will agree with you on one thing...logic is absolute. I look forward to seeing your logical proof that God does not exist.


I'm not surprised.


Absurd statistics? Hmmm...these statistics are currently used by Wikipedia and Encyclopedia Britannica...yet you don't like them, so they must be absurd. I'll chalk this one up as another one of your "intelligent" perspectives.

Look...you have no clue as to what I believe...yet you assume you do. Surely you know that sweeping stereotypes are rooted in profound ignorance...no?

In addition to a logical proof for atheism, I look forward to seeing the scientific facts that prove this "theory".

The only belief I assume you hold is that you are a believer in an organised religion, otherwise you wouldn't be taking this argument with me, that's not a profound ignorance as you suggest, it's logic.

OK.

Logical Proof that a Christian God does not exist: (as a Christian god is what I'm arguing agains I'll go with this for now) Google: The Inconsistent Triad.

Logical Proof that belief in an ancient book + imaginary friends = absurd.

If I bury a copy of harry potter in the sand two thousand years later may dig it up and assume that we had access to some kind of magic now. This is absurd no?

Schizophrenics talk to their hallucinations, wouldn't you argue that any actions they take based on these hallucinations are illogical.

Thirdly and most importantly it is not up to me to disprove god, it's up to believers to prove that it does exist, in order to believe in it. Otherwise we should believe in fairies and unicorns and flying spaghetti monsters, purely because they can't be disproven, this. IS ILLOGICAL. Just because something can't be disproven in the eyes of the believer doens't mean it doesn't exist.

Science is about proofs, proofs based on reasonable assessments of observation. However Philosophy is about proofs based on reason, both require logic and neither offer a proof for god. Because there isn't one. It doesn't exist. Religious types use "faith" as a proof for god, but faith isn't a proof, it's the lack of proof. Faith != reason.

If only we had a lion for every one of them! Life would be grand!

While I agree, things would be grand, genocide isn't the answer my problem is with the religion not the religious people, the concept, not the followers.
 
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The only belief I assume you hold is that you are a believer in an organised religion, otherwise you wouldn't be taking this argument with me, that's not a profound ignorance as you suggest, it's logic.
You went much further in your assumptions than whether or not I believed in an organized religion. And so far you've made more than your fair share of incorrect assumptions. So please don't expect me to defend or even acknowledge something you happen to imagine to be true. I stand by my statement...casual use of sweeping stereotypes is indicative of profound ignorance.

Logical Proof that a Christian God does not exist: (as a Christian god is what I'm arguing agains I'll go with this for now) Google: The Inconsistent Triad.

Logical Proof that belief in an ancient book + imaginary friends = absurd.

If I bury a copy of harry potter in the sand two thousand years later may dig it up and assume that we had access to some kind of magic now. This is absurd no?

Schizophrenics talk to their hallucinations, wouldn't you argue that any actions they take based on these hallucinations are illogical.
Please don't change my point into something it isn't...explain how The Inconsistent Triad somehow provides logical proof of your belief.

Thirdly and most importantly it is not up to me to disprove god, it's up to believers to prove that it does exist, in order to believe in it. Otherwise we should believe in fairies and unicorns and flying spaghetti monsters, purely because they can't be disproven, this. IS ILLOGICAL. Just because something can't be disproven in the eyes of the believer doens't mean it doesn't exist.
Is it not unreasonable to hold you to the same standard that you use against others...prove to me that God doesn't exist in order to believe it's true. You make a false dichotomy using unicorns, etc. as an relevant analogy...I'm surprised that such a logical person doesn't understand the lack of equivalency and obvious fallacy in this argument.

Science is about proofs, proofs based on reasonable assessments of observation. However Philosophy is about proofs based on reason, both require logic and neither offer a proof for god. Because there isn't one. It doesn't exist. Religious types use "faith" as a proof for god, but faith isn't a proof, it's the lack of proof. Faith != reason.
I asked you for proof and you have failed to deliver...I'm shocked!
 
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You went much further in your assumptions than whether or not I believed in an organized religion. And so far you've made more than your fair share of incorrect assumptions. So please don't expect me to defend or even acknowledge something you happen to imagine to be true. I stand by my statement...casual use of sweeping stereotypes is indicative of profound ignorance.

Right well you didn't address my point, so I won't address yours.

Please don't change my point into something it isn't...explain how The Inconsistent Triad somehow provides logical proof of your belief.

The inconsistent triad is a logical proof that a Christian god doesn't exist. My Belief is that a christian god doesn't exist...

Is it not unreasonable to hold you to the same standard that you use against others...prove to me that God doesn't exist in order to believe it's true. You make a false dichotomy using unicorns, etc. as an relevant analogy...I'm surprised that such a logical person doesn't understand the lack of equivalency and obvious fallacy in this argument.

No because you don't have to disprove everything before you decide not to believe in it, the same applies to unicorns and all other mythical creatures, they either need to be proved to exist or there is no reason to believe in them, It surprises me that people don't understand this, in order to believe in anything I need a reason, or some logic... Obviously religious types don't.

I asked you for proof and you have failed to deliver...I'm shocked!

Actually I did:

Logical Proof that belief in an ancient book + imaginary friends = absurd.

If I bury a copy of harry potter in the sand two thousand years later may dig it up and assume that we had access to some kind of magic now. This is absurd no?

Schizophrenics talk to their hallucinations, wouldn't you argue that any actions they take based on these hallucinations are illogical.
 

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But I will agree with you on one thing...logic is absolute. I look forward to seeing your logical proof that God does not exist.

The biggest religous fallacy of them all...shifting the burden of proof.
Welcome to my ignore...my life is to short to people perverting logic.