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routan

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I tried to create a constructive analysis of what seems to be the broad general situation.

Feel free to expound as needed

The analysis is inherently flawed as you are not present, nor have lived in a country with Muslim majority.

There are violent people everywhere, who target others based on their percieved ideology, which should be OBVIOUS given the tradegy that just happened in Tuscon. The violence is not inherent in Muslims or in Islam, nor has it been turned violent, just as the Republican ideology has not been turned violent or hateful because of the actions of a very small minority.

People who want to gain public attention give hate speech, be it amongst Muslims as in the case of crazed Mullah, or in the case of America as is the case of Fox News, Drudge Report and all the bullshit thats very publically propagated, and very wholly accepted as "facts".

Normal people work, worry about their bills, their food, and their lives. They continue to live by their faith, or ideology, and are simply disturbed by tragedies.

Muslims are, by VERY far, the biggest losers by terrorist acts - which has undoubtedly been fuelled by our actions as well. Nonetheless, Salman Taseer has been a recent victim of terrorism by a crazed violent person.

And the worst part is, the portrayal of Muslims and Islam by people on this forum actually makes me feel as someone who is viewed as an opposing force - to non-Muslims. I, as a Muslim, am being victimized, and then when I will lash out, I will be portrayed as one of the violent crazed person. There is a dozen of "others" constantly attacking my faith, and in severe derogatory terms, yet somehow I as a Muslim, as a follower of Islam, is the bad person. Go figure!

If taken as a small sample of the world, this forum is quite representative of the world at large vis a vis relations between the Muslim and non-Muslim world. The Muslims are exploited, attacked (with propaganda or with military might), ridiculed, and offended, with dispropotionate force. While most would say fuck it, and go take a nap, there will be one nut who will say, assholes, im going to kill them all, and pick up a gun and go ballistic.

Food for thought for you all.
 
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Lonbjerg

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Normal people work, worry about their bills, their food, and their lives. They continue to live by their faith, or ideology, and are simply disturbed by tragedies.

That would all be fine and dandy, if not for the mohammed cartoons.
They got more muslims protesting per day, than any number of muslims have protested the terror....revealing a scary "don't-protest-terror" trend in the islamic world.

Please try again.
 

routan

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That would all be fine and dandy, if not for the mohammed cartoons.
They got more muslims protesting per day, than any number of muslims have protested the terror....revealing a scary "don't-protest-terror" trend in the islamic world.

Please try again.

On what statistical basis do you arrive at that conclusion? 200 people in Malaysia, a below than insignificant number? 2000 people in Afghanistan, who have far larger protests against our occupation forces?

I have a different question for you. Since almost everyone can recognize that the cartoons were tasteless at best, highly offensive at worst to Muslims, did YOU protest with your Muslim friends and colleagues against such an incident? Thats right, you didnt. You probably do not have Muslim friends or colleagues. The protests were targetted at my community. Yet you didnt do anything to aid this community.

Why should I then protest against "terrorists" that commit terrorist acts not against my community?

Its not a one-way street bud. Dont ask me to do what you have not and will not.

Tell you what, you go to Tuscon and mount a protest. Send me pics. I'll go to Palestine and protest against Hamas. And I'll post pics. Thats a promise.
 

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On what statistical basis do you arrive at that conclusion? 200 people in Malaysia, a below than insignificant number? 2000 people in Afghanistan, who have far larger protests against our occupation forces?

I have a different question for you. Since almost everyone can recognize that the cartoons were tasteless at best, highly offensive at worst to Muslims, did YOU protest with your Muslim friends and colleagues against such an incident? Thats right, you didnt. You probably do not have Muslim friends or colleagues. The protests were targetted at my community. Yet you didnt do anything to aid this community.

Why should I then protest against "terrorists" that commit terrorist acts not against my community?

Its not a one-way street bud. Dont ask me to do what you have not and will not.

Tell you what, you go to Tuscon and mount a protest. Send me pics. I'll go to Palestine and protest against Hamas. And I'll post pics. Thats a promise.

What is he going to protest in Tuscon?
 

Lonbjerg

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On what statistical basis do you arrive at that conclusion? 200 people in Malaysia, a below than insignificant number? 2000 people in Afghanistan, who have far larger protests against our occupation forces?

Lies won't do you any good:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article731005.ece

200?
2000?
Try hundreds of thoundsands of muslims!

You really need to read up before posting again:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jyllands-Posten_Muhammad_cartoons_controversy

And it wasn't just protesting they did.
Vandalism, violence, arson and murder came along.

I have a different question for you. Since almost everyone can recognize that the cartoons were tasteless at best, highly offensive at worst to Muslims, did YOU protest with your Muslim friends and colleagues against such an incident? Thats right, you didnt. You probably do not have Muslim friends or colleagues. The protests were targetted at my community. Yet you didnt do anything to aid this community.

What a bunch a falacious crap!!!
Who the fuck are you to turn your beliefs into my laws?!

I am not a muslim...thus I can eat pork....the rules of islam does NOT apply to me!
I am not a muslim...thus I can consume alcohol...the rules of islam does NOT apply to me.
I am not a muslim...thus I can have sex without being married....the rules of islam does NOT apply to me!
I am not a muslim...thus I can draw mohammed....the rules of islam does not apply to me!

You don't NOT have the right to not be offended.
Fredoom of speech > religion

I actually did "protest"...I drew my own mohammed cartoon and put it online.

Why should I then protest against "terrorists" that commit terrorist acts not against my community?

Becuase terror is wrong and the cowards way.
Like the old quote says:
All evil needs to prevail is for good men to do nothing.

But i guess terror is okay, cartoons are not...mkay.

Its not a one-way street bud. Dont ask me to do what you have not and will not.

Lies...read above.
You are just a hyppocrite.

Tell you what, you go to Tuscon and mount a protest. Send me pics. I'll go to Palestine and protest against Hamas. And I'll post pics. Thats a promise.

I am not from the US...nice try.
But I could make an english version of my mohammed cartoon and put it online...does that count?
 

routan

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Lies won't do you any good:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article731005.ece

200?
2000?
Try hundreds of thoundsands of muslims!

You really need to read up before posting again:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jyllands-Posten_Muhammad_cartoons_controversy

And it wasn't just protesting they did.
Vandalism, violence, arson and murder came along.



What a bunch a falacious crap!!!
Who the fuck are you to turn your beliefs into my laws?!

I am not a muslim...thus I can eat pork....the rules of islam does NOT apply to me!
I am not a muslim...thus I can consume alcohol...the rules of islam does NOT apply to me.
I am not a muslim...thus I can have sex without being married....the rules of islam does NOT apply to me!
I am not a muslim...thus I can draw mohammed....the rules of islam does not apply to me!

You don't NOT have the right to not be offended.
Fredoom of speech > religion

I actually did "protest"...I drew my own mohammed cartoon and put it online.



Becuase terror is wrong and the cowards way.
Like the old quote says:
All evil needs to prevail is for good men to do nothing.

But i guess terror is okay, cartoons are not...mkay.



Lies...read above.
You are just a hyppocrite.



I am not from the US...nice try.
But I could make an english version of my mohammed cartoon and put it online...does that count?

Okay, so basically from your post, I can clearly see that since you are not a Muslim, I cannot force my beliefs on you...

so who the fuck are you to tell me what I can protest to and what I cant? and who the fuck are you to tell me what my rights are?

if you had half a brain, you would easily be able to determine the 70k figure is beyond exaggerated. The entire population of Peshawar is roughly 3mm. You really believe over 2% of the city's population gathered to protest? ha ha ha.

add iodine in your food intake. cretin.
 
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TareX

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So why haven't any of you "peaceful" muslims stood up and denounced the actions of the extremists, if Islam is such a "peaceful" religion? Oh yeah, it's probably because of all the other militant verses in the Qu'ran that you conveniently left out.

All I see is hypocrisy, buddy, from your religion of peace. Sorry bro. Aint gonna happen till you all start walking the talk of peace.

How many mosques have you been to? What are your news sources? Which agenda-driven US network would choose to run a piece titled: "Breaking news: Anti-terror speech given at a mosque, for the 10000th time!"

Take my word for it, or don't. Terrorism hurts muslims the most. As a Muslim in North America, I wake up everyday worried I'd read about some mass murdering event on CNN witha muslim-looking name attached.

Condemnation? It's almost insulting to ask for it. It's like asking Catholics to organize mass anti-child molestation marches saying their religion is against it. D-UH "No, we actually totally support it. That's why we didn't organize the march"

Last week in Egypt, thousands of Muslims camped in front of Coptic churches in a show of solidarity against Al-Qaeda, many even joined the prayers. Who reported that?

EVERY SINGLE mass-Muslim event I've attended in the last 2 years in North America had a boring-as-hell anti-terror speech, to which none of the attendees can relate to, since it's like "DUH- WE KNOW IT'S A FRACKIN INHUMANE, COWARDLY CRIMINAL ACT."

You do realize that Muslims -like you, have a whole lot of other things in life to worry about, other than terrorism, right? I have to worry about my next-job, my family, the future of my kids -while "announcing that I don't support mass-murdering pigs" doesn't even lie on the first 2 pages of my 1-page priority list.

HINT: The biggest muslim website on the internet (probably the biggest website on the internet -in term of subscribers) is www.amrkhaled.com - who happens to be the single most moderate Muslim preacher on the planet.

I actually hate the terms "moderate" and "extremist", since it implies that someone who is an extremist is "very, very muslim -following it very strictly". As in "extremely Muslim", while someone who is a moderate, is a so-and-so Muslim while the truth couldn't be any further. I'm just using the terms because I'm forced to. That's how the media makes up words with double meanings.
 

TareX

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Why didn't you stand up against your Egyptian government when they pounced on the opportunity to attack the Christian church of Egypt during the swine flu epidemic and force extermination of all their pigs without any payment? (As you are well aware, the Christian community in Egypt raises pigs for pork, the Muslims won't touch that because it's not kosher by Islamic law.)

The only thing worse than ignorance is the illusion of knowledge. I hope you're old enough to absorb the incoming influx of information:

The news of the Egyptian pig cull in response to the impending H1N1 virus pandemic has been circulating the news for over a week after it happened. It has been puzzling –and for me, embarrassing- how raiding pig "farms" and slaughtering all pigs would be considered a measure to combat a human virus spread by humans. Moreover, media outlets have delivered reports of riots and clashes of a religious nature following this puzzling decision. I would like to seize the opportunity to shed some light on this decision, and whether or not there may be a sound reasoning behind it, or unique circumstances surrounding it.

Professors of Veterinary medicine and Epidemiology in Cairo University have already voiced their objection to the cull as an anti-H1N1 flu measure, as it is non-scientific and adversely affects the country's image, and so the ministry of health made a statement revealing the true intent behind the cull:

1) Unlike the US and other European countries, Egypt does not have pig 'farms'. Pigs are raised by garbage men in an extremely poor and densely populated slum in Cairo called "The Garbage men district". They feed exclusively on tons of rotten organic waste which piles up in this area, and wander freely, mingling with the densely packed human population in the district. Under United States law, this simple fact is in violation of environmental law which would immediately shut down such a "facility", should one exist in the midst of an American city. Moreover, regardless of the impending swine flu pandemic, the fact that these pigs have been feeding exclusively on rotten organic waste in garbage disposal facilities, are not subjected to any sort of veterinary medical surveillance and are only slaughtered and sold to the poor once they age or die, is – according to US law- a health crime. Such pigs, if they would exist on US soil would not even be slaughtered, but would be immediately executed with their meats deemed non-suitable for human consumption. Let alone the fact these possible vectors are mingling freely with the general urban population – which is also in violation of US environmental regulations- in a densely packed zone, whose inhabitants move back and forth between their homes in the slum and a their work in a city inhabited by 15 million people, compared to 10 million inhabitants in the entire vast state of Michigan.

2) Most Coptic Christians in Egypt do not eat this pork, for the above mentioned reasons. Those who do, opt for exported pork (similar to muslims in Northern US getting Halal meat from Canada). The Christian population in Cairo is mostly of the higher classes of society, and is unanimously with this decision that was long overdue. The riots and clashes that have been circulating the news as "Christian vs. Government" are in fact the "Garbage men" and their families in the slums rioting against a decision that would have been made in the United States years ago had this problem occurred on US soil.

3) Unlike measures undertaken in Lebanon, Israel and Jordon regarding the regulated swine population in these countries respective farms, the pigs in Egypt could not have been "checked and treated for H1N1" as the flu was not the issue of concern here, but rather the fact these pigs meat was not suitable for human consumption by US standards, and have been posing an obscene environmental and health hazard, again by US standards.

4) The unregulated and hazardous swine breeding among the human population in Egypt has been a problem for many years, yet the government could not address this issue as this district in Cairo is somehow out of the government's control. The WHO has been urging Egypt to address this problem since 2007. The pigs helped the garbage men get rid of organic waste, and the fact that the meat of the aged and dead pigs is sold for consumption on a limited scale was put a lid on. The inhabitants of this small district are extremely poor people, with nothing to lose, and few ways of making a living. Governmental reach is literally non-existent in these slums. One year ago, there was an impending rock slide targeting the area where these people were living in randomly scattered homes, some made of cardboard. The government issued a warning in order to evacuate the area and relocate this population to a safer zone. The calls were rejected by the people, national security guards were fought out, and when the rock broke off, it wiped out hundreds of homes and dozens died. The hazardous and unlawful swine industry (according to US law) has not been previously addressed as it was impossible to carry out this decision without a relatively wider support of the population in this area.

5) Human to swine transmission of H1N1 has already been documented in Canada, when an entire herd of pigs was infected by a farmer coming from a recent trip to Mexico in early April. Laboratory tests revealed that the virus infecting the swine herd was the exact same virus infecting humans. However, as the swine industry in Canada is regulated and abiding to WHO health and environmental regulations, this would not lead to an outbreak or even a mentionable spread among humans. Nonetheless, Canada had already started a "local pig cull" in Alberta back then, killing -in one week- half the number of pigs killed in Cairo over a month. They've attributed the decision to ONLY "overcrowding" (where pigs start eating each other's feaces), one of the many problems with swine breeding in Egypt.

6) Egypt cannot afford another influenza outbreak. The country is already #1 in worldwide avian flu case prevalence and fatalities, even though –contrary to swine breeding- poultry breeding was a relatively highly regulated industry.

7) Finally, Egyptian Prime Minister, Nazeef, has already declared that proper pig farms are "already being established outside the urban population mass", similar to swine farms in the United States. So, swine breeding is not being eradicated, but regulated in accordance to health regulations and environmental laws readily maintained, implemented, and enforced for years, as one of many protected consumers' rights in the United States of America.
 
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Lonbjerg

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Okay, so basically from your post, I can clearly see that since you are not a Muslim, I cannot force my beliefs on you...

You got that right...

so who the fuck are you to tell me what I can protest to and what I cant? and who the fuck are you to tell me what my rights are?

When muslims protest cartoons, but are silent about terror it makes you think.
And I don't tell you...the law tells you...cart before horse.

if you had half a brain, you would easily be able to determine the 70k figure is beyond exaggerated. The entire population of Peshawar is roughly 3mm. You really believe over 2% of the city's population gathered to protest? ha ha ha.

You didn't watch the news at the time?
Like I told you lies won't help you.
But it says a lot you speak out more against the cartoons than terror.
I will make my cartoon in english...just for you.
Protest if you want too...that is your right.
But it won't alter my right to draw and post it.

Your superstion dosn't dictate jack&shit over me....live with it.

add iodine in your food intake. cretin.

Keep your religion to your self...wanker.
 

Lonbjerg

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Put up a picture of yourself. That would probably be the most offensive "cartoon" anyone could possibly see. :rolleyes:

Here you go-go:
mooh.jpg


Freedom of speech in action.
You do not have the right to not get offend.

But thanks for proving that cartoons make you object more than terror ;)
 

werepossum

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Here you go-go:

Freedom of speech in action.
You do not have the right to not get offend.

But thanks for proving that cartoons make you object more than terror ;)
LOL So politically incorrect and intentionally offensive, but funny!

Still, let us not forget that some Muslims are doing much more than objecting to terrorism, they are actually acting as human shields to protect Christians. That is amazingly brave. Even if they claim to be protecting them from the evil Jews when they and the world know it is other Muslims killing them, we have to admit that this is far, far more than just denouncing terrorism and/or Muslim extremism.
 

HAL9000

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Wow...it's all just so fucking simple for you...amazing.

I think it's pretty simple for anyone with their own independent though, organising a group of people together with a shared delusion is a bad idea, the same as getting a group of paranoid schizophrenics together is a bad idea...
 
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I think it's pretty simple for anyone with their own independent though, organising a group of people together with a shared delusion is a bad idea, the same as getting a group of paranoid schizophrenics together is a bad idea...
'Mental giants' find these things to be quite simple...thanks for sharing the 'obvious' with those of us who are less 'gifted'.
 
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Logic is great. Delusion is an unfortunate mental health issue.
So...86% of the world's population is deluded and can't think for themselves as you obviously can. /facepalm

And your logic? There is no logical proof that exists which would prove your premise.

The self-delusion is strong with you.