In Louisana The Government Teaches Your Kid Religion

[Paratus]

Good News Everyone! If this article is correct this little town in Louisiana is one of the last bastions of freedom for Christians! The school principle and teachers are directly proselytizing to their public school students.

But this uplifting story isn't without a dark side. There are victims. And I'm not talking about the non-Christian kids who were afraid to give their names for the story due to ostracism and threats from the Christian community, nor are the victims the students who are taught creationism in science class and learn about the dangers of birth control in gym from a born again virgin from the local crisis pregnancy center.

No the real victims are the principle and teachers who are being threatened with a lawsuit from the godless ACLU. Don't they realize that small government conservatism is embodied by having the state teach your child Christianity. Which denomination? Does it matter? They're all the same anyway.

http://www.slate.com/articles/healt...d_on_public_school_students_in_louisiana.html

During health class, students at Airline High, a public school in Bossier Parish, Louisiana, read Bible passages, and their teacher asks them to identify their favorite verses. Airline students told me they are taught creationism as science and pressured into attending Fellowship of Christian Athletes club meetings. During gym class, girls are warned against contraception by a “born again virgin” from the local crisis pregnancy center, a Christian anti-abortion, anti-birth control, anti-premarital-sex advocacy center.

Yet in Bossier, conservative Christians say they feel under attack. In a video shared by tens of thousands of people, Pastor Mike Welch of Bistineau Baptist Church raises his eyebrows above his sunglasses and delivers the line: “Christians, we’ve taken enough stuff lying down.” Welch, parked in his car in front of Airline High, is recording himself on his phone, which is balanced on the dashboard. “I refuse,” he says, “I flat refuse, in America, to be forced into hiding as a Christian!”

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Welch was upset because on Sept. 24, the American Civil Liberties Union sent a warning to the Bossier Parish School Board. It stated that Airline’s principal, Jason Rowland, had engaged in a “pattern of religious proselytization.” Among other things, Rowland had sent out newsletters with religious messages and, over the school’s intercom, urged students to “pray to the almighty God.”

In response to the ACLU’s caution about a clear breach of the First Amendment, yard signs calling Rowland a “Prayer Warrior” were planted in front of Airline’s flagpole. The Bossier Parish School Board passed a resolution in support of the principal that declared, “our history and tradition respect the freedom of religion not the freedom from religion.” A pray-in protest against the ACLU was organized....

 

[MongGrel]

I've seen odder things in person.

I am not surprised.

 

[trenchfoot]

Well, that PUBLIC school will have all of their federal subsidies and grants taken away if they persist. And if the state gov't supports and backs them, then the state itself can have all of their federal funding for their public schools withheld.

If the school wants to be parochial in its teachings, then they should just privatize it and have their local churches fund it.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Well, that PUBLIC school will have all of their federal subsidies and grants taken away if they persist. And if the state gov't supports and backs them, then the state itself can have all of their federal funding for their public schools withheld.

If the school wants to be parochial in its teachings, then they should just privatize it and have their local churches fund it.

Well Duh.....

 

[trenchfoot]

Well Duh.....

I'm honored that you'd go through all that trouble to reply that way.

 

[Paratus]

Well, that PUBLIC school will have all of their federal subsidies and grants taken away if they persist. And if the state gov't supports and backs them, then the state itself can have all of their federal funding for their public schools withheld.

If the school wants to be parochial in its teachings, then they should just privatize it and have their local churches fund it.

Unfortunately that doesn't help the non-religious members of that parish get an education.

 

[fskimospy]

Good News Everyone! If this article is correct this little town in Louisiana is one of the last bastions of freedom for Christians! The school principle and teachers are directly proselytizing to their public school students.

But this uplifting story isn't without a dark side. There are victims. And I'm not talking about the non-Christian kids who were afraid to give their names for the story due to ostracism and threats from the Christian community, nor are the victims the students who are taught creationism in science class and learn about the dangers of birth control in gym from a born again virgin from the local crisis pregnancy center.

No the real victims are the principle and teachers who are being threatened with a lawsuit from the godless ACLU. Don't they realize that small government conservatism is embodied by having the state teach your child Christianity. Which denomination? Does it matter? They're all the same anyway.

http://www.slate.com/articles/healt...d_on_public_school_students_in_louisiana.html

It's amazing to me that to this day, quite a few Christians truly view the issue as if THEY are oppressed because they aren't being allowed to force their views on other people.

 

[KB]

"During gym class, girls are warned against contraception by a “born again virgin” from the local crisis pregnancy center, "

The term “born again virgin” just means someone who got laid, probably liked it and will do it again, but is now here to tell you not to experience what they got to experience. In other words a hypocrite.

 

[Retro Rob]

It's amazing to me that to this day, quite a few Christians truly view the issue as if THEY are oppressed because they aren't being allowed to force their views on other people.

Eskimo,

I simply don't.get.this.

The only way to ensure equality and fair treatment for ALL in a country that's known for its religious freedom is prevent it from being intertwined in the Government in this manner especially.

I mean, this is very basic stuff.

 

[PokerGuy]

It's amazing to me that to this day, quite a few Christians truly view the issue as if THEY are oppressed because they aren't being allowed to force their views on other people.

Typical view from a left wing fascist. You've gone so far down that road that you can't even see it anymore when other people's rights that you don't like get trampled on. And I'm not even a religious person.

 

[Paratus]

It's amazing to me that to this day, quite a few Christians truly view the issue as if THEY are oppressed because they aren't being allowed to force their views on other people.

Typical view from a left wing fascist. You've gone so far down that road that you can't even see it anymore when other people's rights that you don't like get trampled on. And I'm not even a religious person.

See Eskimospy, Pokerguy gets it. He knows his rights stop where others begins. So in this case Pokerguys right to raise his children as let's say Presbyterian ends when his kids get to school because that would violate the principles right proselytize them to let's say Baptist.

It would be fascist of Pokerguy to deny the principle his right to use his local government powers and Pokerguys tax dollars to convert Pokerguys childrens religion.

At least that's what it sounds like your saying Pokerguy. Maybe I misunderstood. :hmm:



One of my conservative religious friends has always held that he sends his kids to school to learn not to be taught religion. It's his job as a parent to make sure his kids are exposed to his beliefs not the schools. I tend to agree with that.

 

[fskimospy]

Eskimo,

I simply don't.get.this.

The only way to ensure equality and fair treatment for ALL in a country that's known for its religious freedom is prevent it from being intertwined in the Government in this manner especially.

I mean, this is very basic stuff.

Exactly my point! Glad you oppose this too.

 

[fskimospy]

See Eskimospy, Pokerguy gets it. He knows his rights stop where others begins. So in this case Pokerguys right to raise his children as let's say Presbyterian ends when his kids get to school because that would violate the principles right proselytize them to let's say Baptist.

It would be fascist of Pokerguy to deny the principle his right to use his local government powers and Pokerguys tax dollars to convert Pokerguys childrens religion.

At least that's what it sounds like your saying Pokerguy. Maybe I misunderstood. :hmm:



One of my conservative religious friends has always held that he sends his kids to school to learn not to be taught religion. It's his job as a parent to make sure his kids are exposed to his beliefs not the schools. I tend to agree with that.

I have to say I think this is the first time I've been called a fascist for saying that people shouldn't be able to use the power and money of government to indoctrinate children with their preferred religion.

 

[Paratus]

I have to say I think this is the first time I've been called a fascist for saying that people shouldn't be able to use the power and money of government to indoctrinate children with their preferred religion.

War is peace
Freedom is slavery

Etc
I'm flabbergasted that some people seem to believe this.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Typical view from a left wing fascist. You've gone so far down that road that you can't even see it anymore when other people's rights that you don't like get trampled on. And I'm not even a religious person.

Man you guys have gone so far off the deep end with your "How dare you trample my rights when I'm using the government to force religion onto others" that it has just become fucking sad.

There is no way to justify this. It's a direct violation of the First Amendment.

 

[Retro Rob]

Exactly my point! Glad you oppose this too.

Take a honest look at history -- the religions that have been persecuted have been the relatively small ones, or ones that hold "unorthodox" views...and that persecution wasn't spearheaded by a truly secular, neutral government...its primarily been influence by the religion of the majority.

Religion persecutes religion using Government.

And Christians wonder why people in this country are opposed to stuff like this.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

It will be interesting to see the outcome on this one. But isn't it curious how some of our esteemed liberals here automatically presume guilt without knowing all the facts. Confirmation bias anyone?

 

[Paratus]

It will be interesting to see the outcome on this one. But isn't it curious how some of our esteemed liberals here automatically presume guilt without knowing all the facts. Confirmation bias anyone?

It's possible the article is blown out of proportion but considering Bobby Jindal signed a law that allows the bible to be taught in science classrooms it doesn't seem to off the mark that some school district would be taking advantage of it.

http://www.slate.com/articles/healt...school_science_classes_school_boards_and.html

 

[fskimospy]

It will be interesting to see the outcome on this one. But isn't it curious how some of our esteemed liberals here automatically presume guilt without knowing all the facts. Confirmation bias anyone?

I hardly think you're a good person to be accusing anyone else of confirmation bias.

Regardless, what parts do you think we are assuming 'guilt' on that you believe are in dispute? From my understanding the school is not denying these accusations (or at least not denying the general scope of them), they are simply saying that their actions are legal.

Based purely upon what appears to be the uncontested aspects of this complaint what they are doing is insanely wrong.

 

[fskimospy]

Take a honest look at history -- the religions that have been persecuted have been the relatively small ones, or ones that hold "unorthodox" views...and that persecution wasn't spearheaded by a truly secular, neutral government...its primarily been influence by the religion of the majority.

Religion persecutes religion using Government.

And Christians wonder why people in this country are opposed to stuff like this.

What does this have to do with the discussion at hand? I think using the power of government to indoctrinate people into any religion is wrong, and that's what's happening here.

 

[Retro Rob]

What does this have to do with the discussion at hand? I think using the power of government to indoctrinate people into any religion is wrong, and that's what's happening here.

Well, I was just giving my opposition to this some context....that is all.

 

[fskimospy]

Well, I was just giving my opposition to this some context....that is all.

Ahh, that makes sense. I think you're totally right.

I'm sure it sounds great to people when the religion being taught is their own, but in the long run the shoe is going to end up on the other foot sometime and people would be well served to consider that.

 

[Strk]

"During gym class, girls are warned against contraception by a “born again virgin” from the local crisis pregnancy center, "

The term “born again virgin” just means someone who got laid, probably liked it and will do it again, but is now here to tell you not to experience what they got to experience. In other words a hypocrite.

Yeah, kind of like how Bristol Palin keeps promoting abstinence (did she finally stop after the second kid?) or that you have David Vitter at that school supporting their policies.

Anyways, as was already said, religion shouldn't be taught in schools.

 

[realibrad]

Using the power of government to force ideals onto people is only wrong when its not the right ideals. The reason is good here is that its teaching the right religion.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Regardless, what parts do you think we are assuming 'guilt' on that you believe are in dispute? From my understanding the school is not denying these accusations (or at least not denying the general scope of them), they are simply saying that their actions are legal.

Your understanding is wrong....imagine that. The school explicitly stated that Board’s counsel investigated the allegations raised by the ACLU and found them to be without a factual or legal basis. The school's statement is linked below.

http://bossierpress.com/bossier-sch...resolution-in-response-to-aclu-demand-letter/

Based purely upon what appears to be the uncontested aspects of this complaint what they are doing is insanely wrong.

Uncontested? Presume guilt? Who me? Perhaps you need another cup of coffee or two to clear those cobwebs in your head.