In honor of 24's return

[ayabe]

Kiefer Sutherland is a pussy.

 

[boomerang]

Originally posted by: TheSnowman

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
The guy planned the murder of 3000 Americans and you want to make sure he knows that we 'mean well'??

Exactly.

Our government's foreign policy actions have resulted in the murder of far more people elsewhere in this word, as well the ongoing oppression of many millions. We are always told to call it "defending our freedom" and such, but it is often done with ill intent or at least callous disregard on the part of our leaders, and little understanding by the masses. The terrorists don't "hate us for our freedom", they hate us for the tyranny our leaders have hijacked our nation to inflict across much of this world, and have been inflicting long before 9/11.

Understanding that, convincing such a terrorist that we do mean well and will put an end to such ongoing injustices is clearly the best way to convince him to reveal information.

But again that would take huge changes to our foreign policy which our government clearly has no interest in, leaving us with torture.

So, you're in your seventh grade Social Studies class right now, right?

 

[kylebisme]

I am decades beyond secondary education, and learned the facts I am referring to since then.

If you learned what I am speaking of back seventh grade Social Studies, you had a far better teacher for the class than I.

 

[jpeyton]

You can torture him, but don't expect the information he gives you to be accurate.

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: Ozoned
Give me a fish from your secret fishing hole and I will eat for a day. Give me a candle, and I will have the location of your secret fishing hole in 2 minutes, and eat for a lifetime.

What is it with right-wingers and subliminal homo-eroticism - a candle for a secret fishing hole, indeed. Maybe the secret hole is in his 'o' zone.

Obviously, this one went right over your head. Would you like me to draw you a picture?

 

[xenolith]

People still believe water-boarding is torture?

Want to see torture? Watch the movie "Syriana"... and that's just a Disney movie compared to what Islamic fundies would do to you just for kicks.

The US does not torture, and never should.

I too fall in the camp that water-boarding may not be very useful in producing timely, reliable information to help defuse a ticking-time-bomb scenario.

But...

Water-boarding has proven to be very effective when highly valued targets have had time to be exposed to highly trained interrogation agents. Abu Zubaida and Khalid Sheikh Mohammed have divulged information of tremendous value.

 

[mxyzptlk]

I'd torture him for shits and giggles, watch downtown Los Angeles go up in a nuclear hellfire then masturbate on the still-burning corpses of children.



.... What?

 

[Fingolfin269]

Originally posted by: XMan
No grayness . . . the dude knows where the bomb is . . . he's the only one who knows its location . . . timer is set to go off in an hour . . . if you torture him there's a chance he'll tell you where the bomb is at. All other technological methods of finding it have been fruitless.

Edit . . . not to say you'd personally do it. But be willing to let Jack Bauer or a reasonable real world facsimile do it.

So the scenario is that I know he knows and there is no question about it? I'd do more than waterboard the guy. Anyone who says they wouldn't is a moron.... unless they said no because waterboarding isn't enough.

I'm not Jack B. But if a nuke is about to go off that will kill people and this guy knows where it is... yeah, I would do it myself.

 

[Fingolfin269]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Unfortunately, it is not as clean cut as the OPs question.

When we water-boarded the 9-11 mastermind we had no idea what AQ had planned or when their next attack was going to come.

The tricky part is trying to determine when someone might really know something worth a tactic like water-boarding and when they don't have anything worth that level of interrogation.

I am guessing that one of the hardest decisions Obama will have to make as President is just how far he wants to go when we capture some really high level person with valuable information.

Why the spin on the OP? The scenario was YOU KNOW HE KNOWS so would you do it?