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"In God We Trust"

CPA

CPA

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The constitutionality of The Pledge of Allegiance thread got me thinking about the "In God We Trust" motto/phrase on all coinage and bills.

If the argument is that the Pledge is not forced on us and thus the constitutionality of the statement is mute, could the same hold true for the "In God We Trust" motto? After all, an individual can live pretty much without using any cash. I never carry cash, I only use my debit/credit card and check book. So if cash use is not forced upon us by the government, is this phrase unconstitutional?

Or if we must use cash for some transactions, I believe a traffic ticket in most rural courts must be paid by cash, does this infringe on your right to live in a country with a government/church seperation clause?

Should the phrase "In God We Trust" on coinage and bills be abolished? What harm does it cause by keeping it on? What good comes about by leaving it be?


Myself, I don't particularly have faith in any direction, but at the same time the use of "under God" and "In God We Trust" does not force me to seek abolishment for something I consider minor in the scheme of things.
 
Yeah it was put there in the 50s. Damn government... And of course if you oppose it, you're an evil person, because religion is more important than the constitution of our country :|.
 
Yes, it should be abolished. No it's not a big deal. But when some people point to that and say : See, it's OK for government to endorse religion, we need to make a stand anc clarify it for them.
 
I'd like to see it gone. Today's currency is fine, but future production should not have references to god.

Somebody's gonna have to sue though, and I'm not gonna be the one to do it.
 
I don't like it, but using money is by no means an endorsement of Christianity by me, just like using pounds in England is no endorsement of the Queen.
 
Originally posted by: Yomicron
I think the national motto should be changed to 'E Pluribus Unum'
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ah yes the original. 🙂


they put all the god references in to make sure the godless and or communists couldn't swear the oaths or feel welcome in this country. rather sick
 
well u knw, the history of government was somewhat spawned and influenced by a lot of religion involved,...u knw, our constitution was probably the first attempt at a non-religious affiliated or influenced gov't....

i suppose that if they want to accept all religions to be worshiped in america, they should take out "in god we trust" (put in "in nef we trust"...ok realisitcally "in the people, we trust")....and take out "under god" from the pledge of allegiance.......

that way america can be more accepted as a cultural melting pot....and all cultures can live hand in hand...i mean i've met people from all different types of cultures, and i'm sure u dudes have too...and a lot of 'em are really super coool dudes...
 
Originally posted by: BDawg
I don't like it, but using money is by no means an endorsement of Christianity by me, just like using pounds in England is no endorsement of the Queen.
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This is pretty much where I stand on the subject.

I have yet to hear anyone complain that due to the use of american currency they had converted to Christianity.

 
I really don't see a huge problem with it. The phrase does not acknowledge any specific diety or religion, as people of many religions refer to their god as "God". It's been a part of the pledge for 50 years so I'd just consider it a part of U.S. History, I don't really like changing history just so it makes us feel better.
 
Originally posted by: everman
I really don't see a huge problem with it. The phrase does not acknowledge any specific diety or religion, as people of many religions refer to their god as "God". It's been a part of the pledge for 50 years so I'd just consider it a part of U.S. History, I don't really like changing history just so it makes us feel better.
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Post that in the Pledge of Allegiance thread. I agree 100%
 
Originally posted by: everman
I really don't see a huge problem with it. The phrase does not acknowledge any specific diety or religion, as people of many religions refer to their god as "God". It's been a part of the pledge for 50 years so I'd just consider it a part of U.S. History, I don't really like changing history just so it makes us feel better.
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But the god refrences were added to make us feel better...
 
Why is it limited to christianity that caused it? There are quite a few other religions, like judaism and islam that are also monotheistic. I don't think this statement goes against what they preach, so it can be assumed that it does not really offend them.

Anyways, I don't think it's offensive. Just remember, it says "In God we trust". If you don't believe in God I guess you don't trust anybody 😉





In God we trust, all others pay cash.
 
Originally posted by: CPA
Originally posted by: BDawg
I don't like it, but using money is by no means an endorsement of Christianity by me, just like using pounds in England is no endorsement of the Queen.
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This is pretty much where I stand on the subject.

I have yet to hear anyone complain that due to the use of american currency they had converted to Christianity.
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So what? Does it mean we should leave it there?
Just because noone complains doesn't mean it is right to leave it there. Save the ink and take it out.
Again people use it to justify other government endorsement of religion. As cliche as it sounds, it's a slippery slope.
 
But the god refrences were added to make us feel better...
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I'm just saying that it was put there and is a part of history. If it isn't something that does harm to others then I think it should stay a part of history. Maybe I just place more importance on knowing history than others. But you know what they say about not knowing about the past...
 
no more god threads....please....


thank GOD i'm leaving work soon


btw, i totally agree with the original post, now having actually read the thread...
 
Originally posted by: SuperTool
Originally posted by: CPA
Originally posted by: BDawg
I don't like it, but using money is by no means an endorsement of Christianity by me, just like using pounds in England is no endorsement of the Queen.
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This is pretty much where I stand on the subject.

I have yet to hear anyone complain that due to the use of american currency they had converted to Christianity.
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So what? Does it mean we should leave it there?
Just because noone complains doesn't mean it is right to leave it there. Save the ink and take it out.
Again people use it to justify other government endorsement of religion. As cliche as it sounds, it's a slippery slope.
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yup, mild injustice is easily tolerated by some, but should it be?
 
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
Originally posted by: SuperTool
Originally posted by: CPA
Originally posted by: BDawg
I don't like it, but using money is by no means an endorsement of Christianity by me, just like using pounds in England is no endorsement of the Queen.
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This is pretty much where I stand on the subject.

I have yet to hear anyone complain that due to the use of american currency they had converted to Christianity.
Click to expand...

So what? Does it mean we should leave it there?
Just because noone complains doesn't mean it is right to leave it there. Save the ink and take it out.
Again people use it to justify other government endorsement of religion. As cliche as it sounds, it's a slippery slope.
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yup, mild injustice is easily tolerated by some, but should it be?
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You mean I'm actually a tolerant person. I never considered myself to be, but I guess you're right. Oh well, I guess all of us are tolerant of something or another, aren't we? 😉
 
Originally posted by: BDawg
I don't like it, but using money is by no means an endorsement of Christianity by me, just like using pounds in England is no endorsement of the Queen.
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I have to agree. However, it don't think it would be a big deal to remove it in the future.
 
I think that the "In God We Trust" motto should be removed from our currency, but that's just because I believe that the "god" mentioned there actually refers to Mammon, not the Christian/Jewish/Islamic God.
 
Originally posted by: Vic
I think that the "In God We Trust" motto should be removed from our currency, but that's just because I believe that the "god" mentioned there actually refers to Mammon, not the Christian/Jewish/Islamic God.
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who is mammon?
 
Originally posted by: giguana
Originally posted by: Vic
I think that the "In God We Trust" motto should be removed from our currency, but that's just because I believe that the "god" mentioned there actually refers to Mammon, not the Christian/Jewish/Islamic God.
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who is mammon?
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Mammon is the ancient god of riches, the worship of money. Link
 
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