In Disney's shadow, homeless families struggle

[BoberFett]

So in another words, if we make the cost of energy so high that shipping goods from China to here would be prohibitively expensive..... we might get our manufacturing jobs back?

I love Bober.... he so funny.

What's wrong with that crack baby in your avatar?

 

[Zaap]

So in another words, if we make the cost of energy so high that shipping goods from China to here would be prohibitively expensive..... we might get our manufacturing jobs back?

What?

That'd be the opposite effect. Higher energy costs in the US= CHEAPER to ship goods in from China.

 

[sm625]

What?

That'd be the opposite effect. Higher energy costs in the US= CHEAPER to ship goods in from China.

I think what he means is that as global energy costs rise (it is a global market after all, any price disparities would be arbitraged away), then the cost of shipping as a percentage of the total cost of goods would rise. That is a logical conclusion. If that holds true then we go from a labor cost competition paradigm to an energy cost competition paradigm, whereby the region that can produce the most goods using the least energy would be where corporations relocate.

 

[BoberFett]

I think what he means is that as global energy costs rise (it is a global market after all, any price disparities would be arbitraged away), then the cost of shipping as a percentage of the total cost of goods would rise. That is a logical conclusion. If that holds true then we go from a labor cost competition paradigm to an energy cost competition paradigm, whereby the region that can produce the most goods using the least energy would be where corporations relocate.

bshole has no idea what he means, he's an idiot.

However while the cost of the materials to generate energy may be a global market, there's still a difference in generation methods. China would still win, because of their [current] lack of concern regarding environmental effects.

 

[Zaap]

I think what he means is that as global energy costs rise (it is a global market after all, any price disparities would be arbitraged away), then the cost of shipping as a percentage of the total cost of goods would rise. That is a logical conclusion. If that holds true then we go from a labor cost competition paradigm to an energy cost competition paradigm, whereby the region that can produce the most goods using the least energy would be where corporations relocate.

What was actually being discused wasn't global energy costs, it was energy costs effecting our own economy. His dim ilk actually believes in raising energy costs artificially through regulations,( ie "making" energy costs high - that's nothing that would affect the Chinese unless someone has a magic wand to control the entire world cost of energy) as well as cutting off new sources, as if the Chinese would do the same thing to themselves.

 

[Keeper]

People like you have friends...?

Sure do.

 

[poofyhairguy]

we might get our manufacturing jobs back?

Those aren't coming back until America turns into the third world country others outsource to.

 

[boomerang]

Ahh yes, back in the good ol' days when everyone had everything they wanted. Well... except they didn't. And the good ol' days really weren't.


Perhaps. So buy property. Rent it out for 4x less than your neighbors.

It's important to remember that norseamd is the kind of guy that thinks government should provide housing for free along with guaranteed employment. His idea of a good government provided job is melting down nails so the factory next door can use the raw materials to make nails.

 

[Zaap]

Those aren't coming back until America turns into the third world country others outsource to.

This country is working on just that. We'll get there. Its only "fair".

If you're a global business, would you rather have 300 million people living with a lower standard of living making things for a market of 3 billion potential customers...

Or 3 billion people with a lower standard of living making things for a subset of 300 million potential customers?


We in this country are playing right along with the honest answer to that question. And really, unless and until we collectively snap out of it, its what we deserve. Others are more deserving to trade places with us.

 

[poofyhairguy]

It's important to remember that norseamd is the kind of guy that thinks government should provide housing for free along with guaranteed employment. His idea of a good government provided job is melting down nails so the factory next door can use the raw materials to make nails.

Honestly if the alternative is these people are hustling on the streets and collecting welfare checks then I would rather have them repairing broken windows...

 

[boomerang]

Honestly if the alternative is these people are hustling on the streets and collecting welfare checks then I would rather have them repairing broken windows...

Those days are over. People now have "the right" to not have to contribute to society in order to collect benefits. Many of them worked at one time, have family members that did, have babies or otherwise feel they are entitled. I see nothing on the political horizon to upset this apple cart. Politics won't change the system, but the math eventually will. There is no escaping the math.

 

[norseamd]

It's important to remember that norseamd is the kind of guy that thinks government should provide housing for free along with guaranteed employment. His idea of a good government provided job is melting down nails so the factory next door can use the raw materials to make nails.

you are coming up with ideas for me huh?

so i thought the government was supposed to provide jobs to the conservatives?

 

[boomerang]

you are coming up with ideas for me huh?

so i thought the government was supposed to provide jobs to the conservatives?

Sounds like the shoe fits.

 

[Jaskalas]

Those days are over. People now have "the right" to not have to contribute to society in order to collect benefits. Many of them worked at one time, have family members that did, have babies or otherwise feel they are entitled. I see nothing on the political horizon to upset this apple cart. Politics won't change the system, but the math eventually will. There is no escaping the math.

The math cannot be escaped because we keep insisting that more money is king. That we must always inflate prices and costs. No one else has suggested flipping this table upside down and benefiting from cheap labor ourselves.

One might say that'll impact our standard of living. I'd argue it is already declining as cost of living outpaces labor / wages. We need to figure out what to do about it. My suggestion is to embrace the trajectory of labor. Our people will have their benefits, but we should make it cost little to provide.

 

[norseamd]

The math cannot be escaped because we keep insisting that more money is king. That we must always inflate prices and costs. No one else has suggested flipping this table upside down and benefiting from cheap labor ourselves.

One might say that'll impact our standard of living. I'd argue it is already declining as cost of living outpaces labor / wages. We need to figure out what to do about it. My suggestion is to embrace the trajectory of labor. Our people will have their benefits, but we should make it cost little to provide.

so one of the problems is that is seems that businessmen are going around and getting into the rent business and also the food usiness.

they think that citizens need both food and rent so by raising the price on both they can make a lot of cash

 

[WilliamM2]

both parents do full time work and yet they still can not afford an apartment

there is something wrong with that situation

rents are ridiculous

Where does it say they work full time? And what does working at a 7-Eleven and a barbecue restaurant have to do with Disney's starting wage?

The whole article is stupid.

 

[MongGrel]

you are coming up with ideas for me huh?

so i thought the government was supposed to provide jobs to the conservatives?

Seems like it does, Lobbyists, etc.

 

[Zaap]

And what does working at a 7-Eleven and a barbecue restaurant have to do with Disney's starting wage?

For a leftloon busybody, you've got to have a big company to blame for everything and of course somehow extort some money out of.

Some loon should check if there's a Walmart in the area. Its probably all their fault too.

 

[halik]

How can find an employee that's willing to work for less than what it cost them to live within commuting distance? Something about that story is amiss.

 

[bshole]

People now have "the right" to not have to contribute to society in order to collect benefits.

I assume you are speaking of the rich. They are actively harming society and getting paid ungodly amounts of money to do it.

If we the people owned the means of production (instead of a few oligarchs), would we have ever exported that production overseas? HELL NO!

 

[BoberFett]

I assume you are speaking of the rich. They are actively harming society and getting paid ungodly amounts of money to do it.

If we the people owned the means of production (instead of a few oligarchs), would we have ever exported that production overseas? HELL NO!

If you owned the means of production, we'd all be eating dirt. You're a worthless know-nothing.

 

[dmcowen674]

However while the cost of the materials to generate energy may be a global market, there's still a difference in generation methods. China would still win, because of their [current] lack of concern regarding environmental effects.

Is that what you want? The return of dark skies during the day in the U.S.?

You must be on the Koch brothers payroll.

 

[Ns1]

related:

Americans agree that income inequality has widened in the last decade but disagree about what’s causing it, with their answers often diverging along political lines, according to a new study.

Democratic and Republican voters differ sharply on the underlying causes of inequality, with the survey's liberal-leaning respondents much likelier to blame tax policies that favor the rich, while their conservative-tilting counterparts point far more heavily to the work ethic of the poor.

“Ask people why the gap has grown, and their answers are all over the place,” said the analysis by Pew Research Center.

Tax loopholes, government policies and the lumbering job market all were cited to varying degrees by poll respondents.

But the poll also underscored the deep political chasms that are prevalent on many hot-button issues.

For example, 26% of Democratic respondents cited a tax system that favors the wealthy when asked the cause of income disparity. Only 14% of Republicans surveyed agreed. Meanwhile, 14% of Republicans in the poll blamed government policies. Only 8% of Democrats in the survey saw that as a cause.

One of the biggest points of disagreement revolved around the perceived work ethic of poor people and the effects of government assistance programs.

The twin causes were cited by 9% of Republican respondents. Fewer than 1% of their Democratic counterparts agreed.

One area of modest agreement between Democratic and Republican respondents: 5% of each cited greed as a factor.


http://www.latimes.com/business/mon...uality-20140428,0,4462329.story#ixzz30DUE9Gpt

 

[moonbogg]

I worked for Disney in Anaheim while I was in trade school. It was a lot of fun, but I don't remember getting paid for it.
One incident was pretty funny (at my expense of course). So, I was following the parade, right behind the horses and I was sweeping up their massive horse shit with my nifty pan and broom. I kept my head down and just cleaned up the shit.
One female parade watcher looked at me as I walked by and said, "Don't worry honey, you get a paycheck".
I thought, "damn, really lady?" Was a good day to be a Disney employee.

 

[alkemyst]

I worked for Disney in Anaheim while I was in trade school. It was a lot of fun, but I don't remember getting paid for it.
One incident was pretty funny (at my expense of course). So, I was following the parade, right behind the horses and I was sweeping up their massive horse shit with my nifty pan and broom. I kept my head down and just cleaned up the shit.
One female parade watcher looked at me as I walked by and said, "Don't worry honey, you get a paycheck".
I thought, "damn, really lady?" Was a good day to be a Disney employee.

Makes no sense.

Why would you work for free in a job you didn't like to begin with?