In case you needed a reminder - Combat deaths by conflict

[pauldun170]

Combat deaths
World War II (1941–1945) 291,557
COVID: (2020) 282,000+ (increasing)
Civil War: total (1861–1865) 214,938
World War I (1914–1918 ) 53,402
Vietnam War (1955–1975) 47,424

https://www.va.gov/opa/publications/factsheets/fs_americas_wars.pdf

 

[Fenixgoon]

I'm sorry I can't hear you over the sound of all this winning and making America great again...again.
/S

Trump's legacy will be utterly shameful, to put it politely

 

[Ajay]

Me thinks the Civil war numbers are low

Compiling casualty figures for Civil War soldiers is a complex process. Indeed, it is so complex that even 150 years later no one has, and perhaps no one will, assemble a specific, accurate set of numbers, especially on the Confederate side.

Civil War Casualties

Roughly 2% of the population, an estimated 620,000 men, lost their lives in the line of duty during the Civil War. Taken as a percentage of today's population, the toll would have risen as high as 6 million souls.

www.battlefields.org

 

[pauldun170]

Me thinks the Civil war numbers are low

Civil War Casualties

Roughly 2% of the population, an estimated 620,000 men, lost their lives in the line of duty during the Civil War. Taken as a percentage of today's population, the toll would have risen as high as 6 million souls.

www.battlefields.org

Numbers are from VA
Combat deaths. Not total deaths

 

[Ajay]

Numbers are from VA
Combat deaths. Not total deaths

Sadly, and especially in the Civil war (and at all past conflicts b/4 antibiotics and modern sanitary practices), many soldiers died of infections from minor wounds and other diseases.
But yes, I'm sure the VA is more accurate concerning only combat deaths as defined in the 1860s.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Combat deaths deflates the numbers, as many soldiers prior to improved field triage capabilities, died of their wounds. Regardless, its not a valid comparison. A better comparison would be the 1889 flu pandemic or the 1918 flu, which killed many more Americans than the trenches of Europe.

 

[Zorba]

Combat deaths
World War II (1941–1945) 291,557
COVID: (2020) 282,000+ (increasing)
Civil War: total (1861–1865) 214,938
World War I (1914–1918 ) 53,402
Vietnam War (1955–1975) 47,424

https://www.va.gov/opa/publications/factsheets/fs_americas_wars.pdf

You forgot the reason my balls get rubbed every time I fly, especially if I am carrying milk for my daughter. 9/11 .... 2,977. A problem that was solved with cockpit doors and aware passengers, 19 years ago.

But yeah, 100x the deaths and counting and its too much a of personal violation to wear a piece of fabric over your god damn mouth.

 

[Zorba]

Combat deaths deflates the numbers, as many soldiers prior to improved field triage capabilities, died of their wounds. Regardless, its not a valid comparison. A better comparison would be the 1889 flu pandemic or the 1918 flu, which killed many more Americans than the trenches of Europe.

Is it better if you die at the hands of nature, acting through the ignorance of man, as opposed to dying at the hands of man, acting through their own greed and ego?

 

[Starbuck1975]

Is it better if you die at the hands of nature, acting through the ignorance of man, as opposed to dying at the hands of man, acting through their own greed and ego?

Can I choose neither? How about dying from the cancers caused by exposure to man made carcinogens since we’re comparing apples to oranges.

 

[Zorba]

Can I choose neither? How about dying from the cancers caused by exposure to man made carcinogens since we’re comparing apples to oranges.

I think that is a fair comparison, although many of those have happened before we knew or took the science seriously, or through an active choice to not care by the victim. Another major subset are people that live in places were politicians gut/block environmental and workplace protections.

Of course, some cancers are naturally occurring as well.

 

[Starbuck1975]

I think that is a fair comparison, although many of those have happened before we knew or took the science seriously, or through an active choice to not care by the victim. Another major subset are people that live in places were politicians gut/block environmental and workplace protections.

Of course, some cancers are naturally occurring as well.

What is interesting is that a lot of our major leaps forward in medicine were largely proven on battlefields. What if COVID-19 hit 200 years ago? It would have burned through the population and I expect the death toll would have been catastrophic. Even nations that initially responded well are facing a difficult winter and populaces under quarantine fatigue, and growing anti-science political movements.

 

[Zorba]

What is interesting is that a lot of our major leaps forward in medicine were largely proven on battlefields. What if COVID-19 hit 200 years ago? It would have burned through the population and I expect the death toll would have been catastrophic. Even nations that initially responded well are facing a difficult winter and populaces under quarantine fatigue, and growing anti-science political movements.

Yeah, I agree with all that. Even if it hit 30 years ago we would've been much more fucked.