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JS80

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Originally posted by: Ns1
Man stabbed aboard Greyhound bus in northern Ontario

olice are investigating a stabbing aboard a Greyhound bus bound for Winnipeg, an incident in which a young man was attacked by another passenger as the vehicle travelled through northern Ontario.

The man who was stabbed is believed to be in his 20s. He was taken to hospital Sunday afternoon with minor injuries, the Sault Star newspaper reported.

Police arrested a 28-year-old man near the town of White River, about 300 kilometres north of Sault Ste. Marie, Ont., shortly after the bus driver let him get off at the side of the highway.

"I can confirm that an incident did occur aboard one of our buses," said Greyhound spokesperson Abby Wambaugh, speaking from Dallas, Texas.

"The incident occurred 10 miles [16 kilometres] east of White River," she said. "The bus originated in Toronto and was headed for its final destination of Winnipeg."

Wambaugh said the company is "co-operating fully" with Ontario Provincial Police in the investigation.

Another bus was provided for the 13 remaining passengers to continue on their trip.

The incident comes less than two months after a Greyhound passenger beheaded Tim McLean, a 22-year-old man from Winnipeg, sparking questions about security on buses.

Vince Weiguang Li, 40, is charged with second-degree murder and is undergoing a psychiatric evaluation to see whether he is fit to stand trial. He's scheduled to appear in court Oct. 6.

Don't ride the bus in Canada

They banned guns, now they need to ban knives.
 

Scouzer

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plus if canadian health care is so bad, why do we live longer? the average person having access to better health care would be the obvious explanation.
 

Aquaman

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Originally posted by: rezinn
And you live in a frigid wasteland. Enjoy it.

eh. 90% of the Canadian population lives within 100 miles of the US border.

So if you think the Northern States are a wasteland........

Cheers,
Aquaman
 

RichardE

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Originally posted by: LikeLinus
Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: LikeLinus
I was in Canada a few weeks ago and spoke with a few natives about the healthcare in Canada. The healthcare system up there is hurting for expert doctors in the major fields. There is a cap on the amount that a doctor can make, so in turn most of the good doctors leave Canada and come to the U.S. to make good money. They basically said that the social healthcare system is great for day to day sickness and checkups. But the problem comes that if you have anything major, that you end up going to the US to get experts healthcare specialist. So you end up paying for that out of pocket, or get just OK care in Canada.

They said they raised that cap not too long ago, but that there is a serious shortage and will be for some time.

My mom has MS/Epilepsy, my father has Arthritis and 2 knee replacements and my grandfather has had a knee, hip, triple bypass surgery, finally, my second grandfather has Althziemers (sp)

Anyway, with all that, no ones had to wait more than a week for something if that long and only if it was not serious. The people you talked too are quacks.

Where did I say anything about the length of time? Did you even freaking bother reading what I actually wrote? My post was in regards to the quality of care for medical conditions that require expert doctors, not things like freaking Arthritist. We're talking about Cancers and rare diseases that take specialist in their fields.

Additionally, I spoke with 4 people over dinner. Two were American born who moved there with the company and two were born Canadian. All of them had the same thing to say. I can't say I would consider 4 employees of a Fortune 50 company "quacks". But let's be honest here, I am replying to an ATOT. Most of them are kids and idiots.

This doesn't even get into the fact that they also said it's really hard to get a general family doctor because there are not enough doctors to patients. One of our employees moved up there and had to wait 8 months for a general family doctor and it was #7 on their list. The problem is their just aren't enough doctors to support the amount of patients.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H..._professional_shortage

Canada's shortage of medical practitioners causes problems.[28] With 2.2 doctors per thousand population, Canada is well below the OECD average of 3.0, although its 10 nurses per thousand was slightly above the OECD average of 8.6.[29] Suggested solutions include increasing the number of training spaces for doctors in Canada, as well as streamlining the licensing process for foreign doctors already in the country.[30]

Doctors in Canada make an average of $202,000 a year (2006, before expenses).[31] Alberta has the highest average salary of around $230,000, while Quebec has the lowest average annual salary at $165,000, creating interprovincial competition for doctors and contributing to local shortages.[31]

In 1991, the Ontario Medical Association agreed to become a province-wide closed shop, making the OMA union a monopoly. Critics argue that this measure has restricted the supply of doctors to guarantee its members' incomes.[32]

According to a 2007 article, the Canadian medical profession is suffering from a brain drain. The article states, "One in nine trained-in-Canada doctors is practising medicine in the United States... If Canadian-educated doctors who were born in the U.S. are excluded, the number is one in 12." [4]

In September 2008, the Ontario Medical Association and the Ontarian government agreed to a new four-year contract that will see doctors receive a 12.25% pay raise. The new agreement is expected to cost Ontarians an extra $1 billion. Referring to the agreement, Ontario premier Dalton McGuinty said,"One of the things that we've got to do, of course, is ensure that we're competitive ... to attract and keep doctors here in Ontario..."


So that article basically supports exactly what I was told. 1. There are not enough doctors 2. They were not paid enough and a raise was just instituted. 3. The doctors are moving to the US.


FURTHER MORE

"One of the major complaints about the Canadian health care system is waiting times, whether for a specialist, major elective surgery, such as hip replacement, or specialized treatments, such as radiation for breast cancer. Studies by the Commonwealth Fund found that 57% of Canadians reported waiting 4 weeks or more to see a specialist; 24% of Canadians waited 4 hours or more in the emergency room.[20]"

EDUCATE YOURSELF. Read that whole link and you'll realize that you know nothing.

You should read the sources that are linked. Thats why Wiki is a shit reference. You got some guy who Cherry picked the one "bad mark" in multiple sources to make a paragraph, ignoring the volumes of praises upon the system.

Educate yourself.

Also, as a side note. You think a raise means people were not paid enough? Therefore Union Auto workers in detroit were not paid enough according to all the raises they want. Doctors are restricted in both countries btw.

What the one comment about doctors leaving did not mention, is it includes doctors engaged in research as part of the number of doctors leaving, not practicing doctors. Providing Health care does not include research.

Again, this is why Academia does not allow Wiki as a source (though the sources Wiki is used by can be used as a source).
 

Sphexi

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Looks like I made the right choice moving up here and breeding with your women.

 

JS80

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Originally posted by: Scouzer
plus if canadian health care is so bad, why do we live longer? the average person having access to better health care would be the obvious explanation.

You obviously can't think past the surface.
 

sandorski

No Lifer
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Originally posted by: Shawn
Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Originally posted by: Shawn
Too bad your country is barely habitable.

Never been to Vancouver, BC I assume? Considered to be one of the most desirable places to live in the world.

Actually I have. It was 60F there in June. Sure as hell wouldn't want to live in a place that cold. It was pretty though.

60, impossible! ;)
 

sandorski

No Lifer
Oct 10, 1999
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Originally posted by: JS80
Originally posted by: Scouzer
plus if canadian health care is so bad, why do we live longer? the average person having access to better health care would be the obvious explanation.

You obviously can't think past the surface.

Moose Sex is healthy.
 

MovingTarget

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Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Toronto, Montreal, Nova Scotia, etc are also great places to visit/live.

Nova Scotia? That's like saying Alabama is a nice place to live.

Nova Scotia is actually quite beautiful. Add in a real growing season, an abundance of natural resources, NASA, a deficit of damn yankees(tm), and you have Alabama. You just have to put up with the local governments and lack of public transport.

oh yeah....and stay out! :p
 

KeithTalent

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Originally posted by: Ns1
Originally posted by: Aquaman
Originally posted by: Ns1
Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Originally posted by: Ns1
Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Originally posted by: Shawn
Too bad your country is barely habitable.

Never been to Vancouver, BC I assume? Considered to be one of the most desirable places to live in the world.

1 city =/= country

Toronto, Montreal, Nova Scotia, etc are also great places to visit/live.

wow, 4 cities =P

For the record, I dont' think Canada is a bad place to be. If I were to move anywhere, Vancouver would probably be pretty high on the list.

Nope..... nothing to see in Vancouver...... it sucks........ go to Calgary ;)

Cheers,
Aquaman

KT is in Vancouver, that's all I need :heart:

:heart:

Vancouver pwns Calgary BTW. :D

KT
 

DVad3r

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Ya? I would still rather live in the states, at least I won't get taxed 100 $ on a video card from newegg because our "free trade" agreement is so amazing. I find it funny how Americans buy things from here and don't have to pay taxes, but then again, who would buy stuff here? It's way more expensive.

A good example of economical assfuck is the Lexus RX 350. The car is made in a plant in Ontario, yet it costs 15,000 $ more at a dealership in the same town it's made then in Texas.

I also enjoyed the Canadian dollar being higher then the American for a few weeks. It really did not change anything at all, the prices were still the same (more expensive the America) and we did not save on anything.
 
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Originally posted by: DVad3r
Ya? I would still rather live in the states, at least I won't get taxed 100 $ on a video card from newegg because our "free trade" agreement is so amazing. I find it funny how Americans buy things from here and don't have to pay taxes, but then again, who would buy stuff here? It's way more expensive.

A good example of economical assfuck is the Lexus RX 350. The car is made in a plant in Ontario, yet it costs 15,000 $ more at a dealership in the same town it's made then in Texas.

I also enjoyed the Canadian dollar being higher then the American for a few weeks. It really did not change anything at all, the prices were still the same (more expensive the America) and we did not save on anything.

The Canadian and American dollars were at or above par for a year, not a few weeks. Leave this "we" out of it -- you obviously couldn't figure out how to make the parity work to your advantage, while I was living 5 minutes from Buffalo and buying electronics every day. Also WTF are you buying from US Newegg for? Learn how to work kid.
 

hellokeith

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I give the Canucks credit for being some darn good hockey playing SOB's, but that's about it.

Canada might be a nice place to visit if this supposed global warming ever kicks in..
 

DVad3r

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Originally posted by: Walking in Circles
Originally posted by: DVad3r
Ya? I would still rather live in the states, at least I won't get taxed 100 $ on a video card from newegg because our "free trade" agreement is so amazing. I find it funny how Americans buy things from here and don't have to pay taxes, but then again, who would buy stuff here? It's way more expensive.

A good example of economical assfuck is the Lexus RX 350. The car is made in a plant in Ontario, yet it costs 15,000 $ more at a dealership in the same town it's made then in Texas.

I also enjoyed the Canadian dollar being higher then the American for a few weeks. It really did not change anything at all, the prices were still the same (more expensive the America) and we did not save on anything.

The Canadian and American dollars were at or above par for a year, not a few weeks. Leave this "we" out of it -- you obviously couldn't figure out how to make the parity work to your advantage, while I was living 5 minutes from Buffalo and buying electronics every day. Also WTF are you buying from US Newegg for? Learn how to work kid.

Buying electronics in Buffalo everyday huh? Wow, you must super smart. How did you manage to decieve all those border customs guys from making you pay some nice taxes on the products you bought? I don't buy from newegg, I was just using an example, I could buy a falcon northwest system though, and pay thousands in taxes with it coming here. If you did not understand the point I was trying to get across then you are dumber then I thought. And why should I have to figure out how to get things to work to my advantage, shouldn't it be just there in plain sight of our "ever so great" economy? Fuckin peon back to the burrow you go.