In Canada we work less, live longer, enjoy better health and have more sex. And get this: now we're wealthier too.

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LikeLinus

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Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: LikeLinus
I was in Canada a few weeks ago and spoke with a few natives about the healthcare in Canada. The healthcare system up there is hurting for expert doctors in the major fields. There is a cap on the amount that a doctor can make, so in turn most of the good doctors leave Canada and come to the U.S. to make good money. They basically said that the social healthcare system is great for day to day sickness and checkups. But the problem comes that if you have anything major, that you end up going to the US to get experts healthcare specialist. So you end up paying for that out of pocket, or get just OK care in Canada.

They said they raised that cap not too long ago, but that there is a serious shortage and will be for some time.

My mom has MS/Epilepsy, my father has Arthritis and 2 knee replacements and my grandfather has had a knee, hip, triple bypass surgery, finally, my second grandfather has Althziemers (sp)

Anyway, with all that, no ones had to wait more than a week for something if that long and only if it was not serious. The people you talked too are quacks.

Where did I say anything about the length of time? Did you even freaking bother reading what I actually wrote? My post was in regards to the quality of care for medical conditions that require expert doctors, not things like freaking Arthritist. We're talking about Cancers and rare diseases that take specialist in their fields.

Additionally, I spoke with 4 people over dinner. Two were American born who moved there with the company and two were born Canadian. All of them had the same thing to say. I can't say I would consider 4 employees of a Fortune 50 company "quacks". But let's be honest here, I am replying to an ATOT. Most of them are kids and idiots.

This doesn't even get into the fact that they also said it's really hard to get a general family doctor because there are not enough doctors to patients. One of our employees moved up there and had to wait 8 months for a general family doctor and it was #7 on their list. The problem is their just aren't enough doctors to support the amount of patients.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H..._professional_shortage

Canada's shortage of medical practitioners causes problems.[28] With 2.2 doctors per thousand population, Canada is well below the OECD average of 3.0, although its 10 nurses per thousand was slightly above the OECD average of 8.6.[29] Suggested solutions include increasing the number of training spaces for doctors in Canada, as well as streamlining the licensing process for foreign doctors already in the country.[30]

Doctors in Canada make an average of $202,000 a year (2006, before expenses).[31] Alberta has the highest average salary of around $230,000, while Quebec has the lowest average annual salary at $165,000, creating interprovincial competition for doctors and contributing to local shortages.[31]

In 1991, the Ontario Medical Association agreed to become a province-wide closed shop, making the OMA union a monopoly. Critics argue that this measure has restricted the supply of doctors to guarantee its members' incomes.[32]

According to a 2007 article, the Canadian medical profession is suffering from a brain drain. The article states, "One in nine trained-in-Canada doctors is practising medicine in the United States... If Canadian-educated doctors who were born in the U.S. are excluded, the number is one in 12." [4]

In September 2008, the Ontario Medical Association and the Ontarian government agreed to a new four-year contract that will see doctors receive a 12.25% pay raise. The new agreement is expected to cost Ontarians an extra $1 billion. Referring to the agreement, Ontario premier Dalton McGuinty said,"One of the things that we've got to do, of course, is ensure that we're competitive ... to attract and keep doctors here in Ontario..."


So that article basically supports exactly what I was told. 1. There are not enough doctors 2. They were not paid enough and a raise was just instituted. 3. The doctors are moving to the US.


FURTHER MORE

"One of the major complaints about the Canadian health care system is waiting times, whether for a specialist, major elective surgery, such as hip replacement, or specialized treatments, such as radiation for breast cancer. Studies by the Commonwealth Fund found that 57% of Canadians reported waiting 4 weeks or more to see a specialist; 24% of Canadians waited 4 hours or more in the emergency room.[20]"

EDUCATE YOURSELF. Read that whole link and you'll realize that you know nothing.
 

Capt Caveman

Lifer
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Originally posted by: Shawn
Too bad your country is barely habitable.

Never been to Vancouver, BC I assume? Considered to be one of the most desirable places to live in the world.
 

Aquaman

Lifer
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Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Originally posted by: Shawn
Too bad your country is barely habitable.

Never been to Vancouver, BC I assume? Considered to be one of the most desirable places to live in the world.

no no ...... it sucks........... don't bother coming here........ nope real bad...... stay away.

Cheers,
Aquaman
 

Ns1

No Lifer
Jun 17, 2001
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Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Originally posted by: Shawn
Too bad your country is barely habitable.

Never been to Vancouver, BC I assume? Considered to be one of the most desirable places to live in the world.

1 city =/= country
 

tfcmasta97

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Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: destrekor
Originally posted by: torpid
Originally posted by: Evadman
Canada is the United States' hat. Canada protects us from the cold, that is all they are good for.

What a crappy hat. It still gets ridiculously cold up here in Wisconsin.

Yea, I think that hat is kind of drafty. That Canadian air reaches Ohio sometimes, and it's just terrible! I demand Canadia do something about that and take their air back when it reaches us, or better yet, fix the leaks in that hat to make sure it keeps us warm like it's supposed to. Else we might have to go shopping for a new hat!

The US is Canada's Furnace. Pretty crappy one though, it still gets fricken Cold up here.

Dont worry, it heats up nicely while they're having a meltdown
 

Capt Caveman

Lifer
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Originally posted by: Ns1
Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Originally posted by: Shawn
Too bad your country is barely habitable.

Never been to Vancouver, BC I assume? Considered to be one of the most desirable places to live in the world.

1 city =/= country

Toronto, Montreal, Nova Scotia, etc are also great places to visit/live.
 

SirStev0

Lifer
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Originally posted by: hanoverphist
Originally posted by: Queasy
"When I taught for the state of California, I had the best health coverage on the planet," he reports. "But when my son was born ? and it was totally by the book, no complications ? my insurance only covered the first $10,000 of the hospital costs. The remaining $8,000 came out of my pocket. And that's with full coverage."

:confused: How could it be "the best health coverage on the planet" and then turn around and cost $8k for a no complications birth?

I've had two kids under two different insurance plans with major complications during both pregnancies and after the kids were born. My total out-of-pocket cost for both of those was but a fraction of the cost he incurred.

Conclusion: He did not have "the best health coverage on the planet". In fact, he had horrendous health coverage under whatever insurance plan he was on with the state of California.

my twins, one was born breach with cord around his neck, cost mt a whoppin 250 bucks. total.


and you can have washington and oregon.

Woah lets slow down on giving up two pretty decent states. If they want states give um one of the square ones. Get um off our hands.
 

Ns1

No Lifer
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Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Originally posted by: Ns1
Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Originally posted by: Shawn
Too bad your country is barely habitable.

Never been to Vancouver, BC I assume? Considered to be one of the most desirable places to live in the world.

1 city =/= country

Toronto, Montreal, Nova Scotia, etc are also great places to visit/live.

wow, 4 cities =P

For the record, I dont' think Canada is a bad place to be. If I were to move anywhere, Vancouver would probably be pretty high on the list.
 

Ns1

No Lifer
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Man stabbed aboard Greyhound bus in northern Ontario

olice are investigating a stabbing aboard a Greyhound bus bound for Winnipeg, an incident in which a young man was attacked by another passenger as the vehicle travelled through northern Ontario.

The man who was stabbed is believed to be in his 20s. He was taken to hospital Sunday afternoon with minor injuries, the Sault Star newspaper reported.

Police arrested a 28-year-old man near the town of White River, about 300 kilometres north of Sault Ste. Marie, Ont., shortly after the bus driver let him get off at the side of the highway.

"I can confirm that an incident did occur aboard one of our buses," said Greyhound spokesperson Abby Wambaugh, speaking from Dallas, Texas.

"The incident occurred 10 miles [16 kilometres] east of White River," she said. "The bus originated in Toronto and was headed for its final destination of Winnipeg."

Wambaugh said the company is "co-operating fully" with Ontario Provincial Police in the investigation.

Another bus was provided for the 13 remaining passengers to continue on their trip.

The incident comes less than two months after a Greyhound passenger beheaded Tim McLean, a 22-year-old man from Winnipeg, sparking questions about security on buses.

Vince Weiguang Li, 40, is charged with second-degree murder and is undergoing a psychiatric evaluation to see whether he is fit to stand trial. He's scheduled to appear in court Oct. 6.

Don't ride the bus in Canada
 

Aquaman

Lifer
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Originally posted by: Ns1
Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Originally posted by: Ns1
Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Originally posted by: Shawn
Too bad your country is barely habitable.

Never been to Vancouver, BC I assume? Considered to be one of the most desirable places to live in the world.

1 city =/= country

Toronto, Montreal, Nova Scotia, etc are also great places to visit/live.

wow, 4 cities =P

For the record, I dont' think Canada is a bad place to be. If I were to move anywhere, Vancouver would probably be pretty high on the list.

Nope..... nothing to see in Vancouver...... it sucks........ go to Calgary ;)

Cheers,
Aquaman
 

CanOWorms

Lifer
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Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Toronto, Montreal, Nova Scotia, etc are also great places to visit/live.

Nova Scotia? That's like saying Alabama is a nice place to live.
 

Ns1

No Lifer
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Originally posted by: Aquaman
Originally posted by: Ns1
Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Originally posted by: Ns1
Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Originally posted by: Shawn
Too bad your country is barely habitable.

Never been to Vancouver, BC I assume? Considered to be one of the most desirable places to live in the world.

1 city =/= country

Toronto, Montreal, Nova Scotia, etc are also great places to visit/live.

wow, 4 cities =P

For the record, I dont' think Canada is a bad place to be. If I were to move anywhere, Vancouver would probably be pretty high on the list.

Nope..... nothing to see in Vancouver...... it sucks........ go to Calgary ;)

Cheers,
Aquaman

KT is in Vancouver, that's all I need :heart:

 

Shawn

Lifer
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Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Originally posted by: Shawn
Too bad your country is barely habitable.

Never been to Vancouver, BC I assume? Considered to be one of the most desirable places to live in the world.

Actually I have. It was 60F there in June. Sure as hell wouldn't want to live in a place that cold. It was pretty though.
 

meltdown75

Lifer
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it kind of irks me that flossy is Canada's ambassador to ATOT, but whatever.

floss on flossy, floss on.
 

Jeff7

Lifer
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Originally posted by: CanOWorms
You forgot the most important thing. You have a Queen.

:music:
We are the champions
Weeee are the chaaampionsss.....
:music:


Wrong one?

 

imported_Champ

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Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Toronto, Montreal, Nova Scotia, etc are also great places to visit/live.

Nova Scotia? That's like saying Alabama is a nice place to live.

calgary, edmonton is too nice but cold, regina...the city that rhymes with fun
 

LikeLinus

Lifer
Jul 25, 2001
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Where's RichardE to reply to all the quacks who know something about social healthcare in canada? LOL
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
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Originally posted by: gorcorps
You don't have real football.

/thread

Actually I like hockey more and lacrosse is pretty entertaining too, but it lessens my argument.

lol
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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Originally posted by: Ns1
Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Originally posted by: Ns1
Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Originally posted by: Shawn
Too bad your country is barely habitable.

Never been to Vancouver, BC I assume? Considered to be one of the most desirable places to live in the world.

1 city =/= country

Toronto, Montreal, Nova Scotia, etc are also great places to visit/live.

wow, 4 cities =P

For the record, I dont' think Canada is a bad place to be. If I were to move anywhere, Vancouver would probably be pretty high on the list.

I'd say on a per capita/per land area basis US is pretty much on par with Canada in terms of worthwhile places to live.