in business, is anything ever optional?

[kstu]

im leaving tomorrow for an office visit in nova.
heres part of the schedule.

Thursday, November 3, 2005
3:00 p.m Check in to Hotel
6:30 p.m. Reception and Dinner
9:00 p.m. Team Building (optional)

is it really optional? i feel like it's almost guaranteed that if you want to get a job, you should show up to the team building.

 

[thelanx]

It's a ploy to weed out people who don't realize optional means mandatory.

 

As I said in the other thread on this topic...

Hire a body double.

 

[Falloutboy]

looking at the time though for it it looks like "team building" is another way of say Open Bar

 

[Albis]

you don't want to skip any events during an office visit

it's a time for the firm to wine and dine you so you'll sign

 

[nageov3t]

for a job interview? no.

but if my company, in which I have a fairly secure job, had an optional team building workshop, you're damn sure I'd blow it off

 

[Rage187]

It's optional for the people who are not team players.

 

[kstu]

Originally posted by: SampSon
As I said in the other thread on this topic...

Hire a body double.

that thread was about on campus info sessions. i skipped those and told them i had to work each time. this thread is about the big leagues office visit.

 

[RaynorWolfcastle]

I have a friend in management consulting that once told me that "team building" is expense-account-speak for getting ripped at the bar.

 

[djheater]

Originally posted by: kstu
im leaving tomorrow for an office visit in nova.
heres part of the schedule.

Thursday, November 3, 2005
3:00 p.m Check in to Hotel
6:30 p.m. Reception and Dinner
9:00 p.m. Team Building (optional)

is it really optional? i feel like it's almost guaranteed that if you want to get a job, you should show up to the team building.

Don't work for a company that plays mind games.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: Rage187
It's optional for the people who are not team players.

Yep, you're marked as "not a team player" "does not contribute to the team"

 

[TitanDiddly]

'Team Building", in this instance and ALL others, is complete BS.

 

[Falloutboy]

Originally posted by: RaynorWolfcastle
I have a friend in management consulting that once told me that "team building" is expense-account-speak for getting ripped at the bar.

yup as I thought

I mean honestly I have never heard of a company that would do anything else at 9 at night it just doesn't make sence. its prolly more of an opportunity for you to relax and get to know people (get drunk and have fun)

 

[everman]

Why even call it a stupid name like team building? Just call it like it is, lets all get plastered at the bar.

 

[RaynorWolfcastle]

Originally posted by: everman
Why even call it a stupid name like team building? Just call it like it is, lets all get plastered at the bar.

You can't expense out " we got plastered at the bar", but you can expense out "we partook in a team building excercise"

 

[hemiram]

Originally posted by: PhasmatisNox
'Team Building", in this instance and ALL others, is complete BS.

You've definitely got that right. One place I worked at, who treated the whole department like we were total scumbags constantly was putting out propaganda about how we can "help the team reach new heights", and how we "Can make the team something really special", and on and on. When managment ordered us to do something, and it turned out to be a disaster, who got crapped on, by the big bosses? Us.

The place I work at now is kind of the same way. We do something, and it doesn't turn out due to the programmers screwing up, we get bitched at, the programmers get raises!

Team my ass.