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In Biden's $3.5T social policy bill was a plan to give 8M immigrants a path to citizenship. No, said the Senate parliamentarian

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Lifer
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Tucked inside the massive $3.5T social policy bill was a way for an estimated 8 million undocumented immigrants to have citizenship.

Elizabeth MacDonough, the Senate parliamentarian, who serves as the chamber’s arbiter of its own rules, wrote that the “policy changes of this proposal far outweigh the budgetary impact scored to it and it is not appropriate for inclusion in reconciliation”


My understanding of the reconciliation process (ie: bypass a Repub filibuster) was only for budgetary items.
so sneaking in an immigration law wont work.
 
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As long as the filibuster remains, Democrats are fighting with their hands tied behind their back, and Republicans will continue to press their legislative priorities with only needing 50+1 votes while Democrats will need 60 votes for their priorities.
 

fskimospy

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Tucked inside the massive $3.5T social policy bill was a way for an estimated 8 million undocumented immigrants to have citizenship.

Elizabeth MacDonough, the Senate parliamentarian, who serves as the chamber’s arbiter of its own rules, wrote that the “policy changes of this proposal far outweigh the budgetary impact scored to it and it is not appropriate for inclusion in reconciliation”


My understanding of the reconciliation process (ie: bypass a Repub filibuster) was only for budgetary items.
so sneaking in an immigration law wont work.
It’s basically up to the whims of the parliamentarian - she’s ruled in the past that items with far less budget relevance were fine. For example deregulating oil drilling in ANWR made it into reconciliation just fine despite having a tiny budget impact.

All the more reason to abolish the filibuster though.
 

ElFenix

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As long as the filibuster remains, Democrats are fighting with their hands tied behind their back, and Republicans will continue to press their legislative priorities with only needing 50+1 votes while Democrats will need 60 votes for their priorities.
where is the rage+1 vote when you need it?
 

K1052

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It’s basically up to the whims of the parliamentarian - she’s ruled in the past that items with far less budget relevance were fine. For example deregulating oil drilling in ANWR made it into reconciliation just fine despite having a tiny budget impact.

All the more reason to abolish the filibuster though.
Part of the justification in her ruling was that another congress/administration could make new policy to reverse it...

Which is how this is SUPPOSED to work for Christs sake.
 

fskimospy

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Part of the justification in her ruling was that another congress/administration could make new policy to reverse it...

Which is how this is SUPPOSED to work for Christs sake.
That's literally true of every single law ever.
 
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Bitek

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If so, that was a dumb plan.

Quit fuckin around and get some roads, bridges, wind mills and solar farms built.

Fix the SALT deduction bullshit, and tax Bezos and Amazon to help fund it all

Only democrats could make this so complicated.
 

woolfe9998

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If the dems don't have the votes to end the filibuster, I am all for "abusing" the reconciliation procedure to see whatever they can pass through it. Like the filibuster, "reconciliation" is nothing more then a Senate rule of procedure. It isn't in the Constitution and doesn't even have the status of federal legislation. Hence, the courts will never intervene to make sure it's "properly enforced." Screw it.
 

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