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In an America with strict gun control....

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jackstar7 said:
Great. Quibble over the numbers. Very productive.
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Your numbers are off by several orders of magnitude. Debunking bullshit is certainly more productive than spreading it.

You're so ignorant about this topic that you can be fooled by embarrassingly bad propaganda, yet you still feel qualified to engage in a debate. Your time would be better spent educating yourself.
 
jackstar7 said:
Seems like that person is not a burglar at that point, by the definition of that word: one breaking in with the primary intent of theft.
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Difference between "robbery" (the crime of stealing money or property : the crime of robbing a person or place) and "burglary" ( the act of illegally entering a building in order to steal things)...at least according to Webster's. Police differentiate between the two...big time. Robbery implies personal confrontation; burglary does not. (From past experience with a burglary)
Anyway, I really think the whole discussion is moot. Criminals (and crazies) will always manage to get guns. IMO we need to have stricter laws or enforce laws already on the books. Anyone committing a felony with a gun (or other weapon) should get serious jail time. Anyone possessing an illegal fire arm. ditto.
Sadly, very little can be done when insane people carry out mass murder. The only possible solution would be some way to determine if a person might be crazy enough to one day go on a spree killing, either through psychiatric evaluations or family/friends informing authorities of a possible danger. A sticky problem, because a person cannot be detained on suppositions alone.
I know there is no easy answer, but stricter gun control laws will only disarm or limit gun use for law abiding citizens. Criminals and the insane will always find a way.

The Wife
 
jackstar7 said:
Or consider the reality that a burglary is hundreds of times more likely than a murder.

http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/cacrime.htm

Or don't and keep the fear alive!
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That is true. But, being a victim of a violent crime.
A person was ~1.35 times as likely to be a victim of a burglary as a violent crime in 2014.

Interestingly that in 1960 when there were far fewer limits on firearm ownership. A person was ~3.8 times as likely to be a victim of a burglary as a violent crime....


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Kwatt said:
That is true. But, being a victim of a violent crime.
A person was ~1.35 times as likely to be a victim of a burglary as a violent crime in 2014.

Interestingly that in 1960 when there were far fewer limits on firearm ownership. A person was ~3.8 times as likely to be a victim of a burglary as a violent crime....


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Can you now tell us what type of guns were available to your average citizen back then and how they compare to today's guns?
 
HamburgerBoy said:
In terms of what may be legally owned, it hasn't. A Colt 1911 is no less deadly than a Glock. A semi-automatic 5.56 is no more deadly than a .30-06.
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There are many factors to his claim. Availability, popularity, accuracy, and performance characteristics. All of which have increased or improved. The point? It's an apples to oranges comparison. It's a talking point that is meaningless without context.
 
ivwshane said:
There are many factors to his claim. Availability, popularity, accuracy, and performance characteristics. All of which have increased or improved. The point? It's an apples to oranges comparison. It's a talking point that is meaningless without context.
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I'd like you to give some numbers on those last two points.

EDIT: And regarding the first two

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ivwshane said:
Can you now tell us what type of guns were available to your average citizen back then and how they compare to today's guns?
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Centerfire ammunition has been around since the late 1800's.
There have been improvements in materials and propellants since then.

If you are asking about types.
In 1960 you could buy single shot, bolt action, lever action, auto loading, pump action and revolvers.

In 2014 you could buy single shot, bolt action, lever action, auto loading, pump action and revolvers.

Materials and manufacturing has changed.

New calibre's will be introduced when a there is a market for it.

If calibre is the question the 9x19 Parabellum has been around since early 1900's. The .22 long rifle since the late 1880's.

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Now can you tell me why you compared burglary (a non violent crime) to murder (a violent crime)?


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ivwshane said:
We can put a man on the moon but removing guns from our society would be just too hard?
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So libtards are saying we can easily remove the hundreds of millions of guns from this country but it's impossible to remove the illegal invaders which number far less. Can't make this shit up...
 
ivwshane said:
We can put a man on the moon but removing guns from our society would be just too hard?
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I don't believe we could currently put a man on the moon. Anyway, how do you propose we gather them, invade people's homes and forcefully remove the guns? Because, if you just ask for them, only the most law-abiding of people will just hand them over. Also, who's going to collect them? The cops? 😵
 
MagickMan said:
I don't believe we could currently put a man on the moon. Anyway, how do you propose we gather them, invade people's homes and forcefully remove the guns? Because, if you just ask for them, only the most law-abiding of people will just hand them over. Also, who's going to collect them? The cops? 😵
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Can you explain how Australia was able to accomplish exactly this? Its amazing to me how people constantly say "gun control is impossible!" despite there being literal examples of exactly what they say is impossible happening.

Let me guess though, Australia and/or the US are magical and special and so whatever worked there would never work here because reasons. Probably the same reasons why literally every other liberal policy that has been successful elsewhere could never work in the US. (magical reasons)
 
eskimospy said:
Can you explain how Australia was able to accomplish exactly this? Its amazing to me how people constantly say "gun control is impossible!" despite there being literal examples of exactly what they say is impossible happening.

Let me guess though, Australia and/or the US are magical and special and so whatever worked there would never work here because reasons. Probably the same reasons why literally every other liberal policy that has been successful elsewhere could never work in the US. (magical reasons)
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I said that earlier in the thread. Then someone posted that only 15% of Australians actually complied with the law.
 
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