In a move that surprises no-one, Trump supports anti-homosexual bigotry

mikeymikec

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https://www.patheos.com/blogs/progr...mp-supports-businesses-posting-no-gays-signs/

article said:
After a Trump administration lawyer argued that bakers should be legally allowed put signs in their windows saying that they don’t make cakes for gay weddings, Sanders was asked if Trump supported that sort of legalized discrimination. The New York Times’s Michael Shear asked:

The lawyer for the solicitor general’s office for the administration said today in the Supreme Court if it would be legal, possible for a baker to put a sign in his window saying we don’t bake cakes for gay weddings. Does the president agree that that would be ok?​

Sanders answered:

The president certainly supports religious liberty and that’s something he talked about during the campaign and has upheld since taking office.​

When asked if that included support for signs that deny service to gay people, Sanders replied:

I believe that would include that.​

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https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/938147180749127680

I just find it a bit weird for the Trump administration to bother with this. If this forum is a microcosm of the US, I had the impression that gay marriage was a topic that was done to death, but apparently not?
 

[DHT]Osiris

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To be fair, his stance would probably 180 several times if he were actually asked before this topic even dropped off the first page.
 

dank69

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OMG the liberals and their constant whining about rights for human beings.
 

1sikbITCH

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You know damn well Trump would have somebody escort Cindy Hyde-Smith to the second row so the Trump Family could sit up front for the hanging. Don Jr will be up there giving advice to the hangman.
 

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I don't see a conflict between supporting the right for someone to be a bigot and condemning their choice to be one, although in this case I suspect Trump endorses both.
 

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Oh nevermind..

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Sonikku

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The 180 comes when the Republican judges decide private businesses like Facebook do not possess the right to kick customers off its turf it doesn't like, like Alex Jones.
 

mikeymikec

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I don't see a conflict between supporting the right for someone to be a bigot and condemning their choice to be one, although in this case I suspect Trump endorses both.

For a libertarian on-looker there's no conflict, but the role of the person who's meant to preside over the whole of the nation, there's definitely a conflict of interest. That person (assuming they're not bereft of logic and any humane attributes like Trump) has to either advocate defending the existence and well-being of say homosexual people, or to do the opposite. Otherwise that person may as well be saying, "I'll defend your homosexual existence, I just think it would be best if you avoided doing anything that would publicly identify you as homosexual".
 

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https://www.patheos.com/blogs/progr...mp-supports-businesses-posting-no-gays-signs/


Video:
https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/938147180749127680

I just find it a bit weird for the Trump administration to bother with this. If this forum is a microcosm of the US, I had the impression that gay marriage was a topic that was done to death, but apparently not?

It isn't weird at all. His fan base generally has a negative attitude towards homosexuality. If you have observed Trump at all, then you understand that pleasing this fan base, and absolutely no one else, has been his number one priority from day one. What Trump actually believes here - or indeed, if he even cares about this issue - is irrelevant.
 

mikeymikec

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It isn't weird at all. His fan base generally has a negative attitude towards homosexuality. If you have observed Trump at all, then you understand that pleasing this fan base, and absolutely no one else, has been his number one priority from day one. What Trump actually believes here - or indeed, if he even cares about this issue - is irrelevant.
I realised the reason for it, it just seemed like sour grapes and resurrecting irrelevant issues for the sake of pandering to a dwindling base, much like the UK conservatives tried to do by campaigning in the 2017 election to bring back fox hunting: They weren't going to convince anyone 'new' to vote for them with that promise and it's pure preaching to the choir.
 

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I realised the reason for it, it just seemed like sour grapes and resurrecting irrelevant issues for the sake of pandering to a dwindling base, much like the UK conservatives tried to do by campaigning in the 2017 election to bring back fox hunting: They weren't going to convince anyone 'new' to vote for them with that promise and it's pure preaching to the choir.

Yes, but that same dwindling base was largely responsible for electing him in 2016. Trump's way of thinking is that these are the loyal people who got him there, so those are the people he's going to pander to. It all makes sense when you view Trump as fundamentally self-interested and hence everything he does is a political strategy. May be a good one or a bad one, but for him, that's all it is.
 

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The one thing that's going to make Trump flip flop on his base like a fish that just launched itself out of a fish bowl is if the Dems take both houses in 2020 and Trump somehow managed to get reelected. He won't need his base anymore and that will allow him to toss them aside like yesterday's newspaper and fully concentrate on what a nice guy he really is and that he really didn't like those Nazis and those other really mean racists.

In fact he'll bring back that line about how he just loves immigrants noting how many of them he's got working for him.
 

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OMG the liberals and their constant whining about rights for human beings.

Until they have to reach in their pockets, then it is a race to the bottom where cheapest is best, to hell with them human rights.

That's why they abandoned the working class for identity politics, easy to rail against bakers who refuse to bake gay marriage cakes, actually supporting living wages, labor rights, environmental rights, safety rules etc. through increased costs in domestic goods and services that they are willing to pay for as an example, not so much.
 

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Until they have to reach in their pockets, then it is a race to the bottom where cheapest is best, to hell with them human rights.

That's why they abandoned the working class for identity politics, easy to rail against bakers who refuse to bake gay marriage cakes, actually supporting living wages, labor rights, environmental rights, safety rules etc. through increased costs in domestic goods and services that they are willing to pay for as an example, not so much.
Try reducing the weight on the tone arm and I bet the needle will slide right over that scratch.
 

mikeymikec

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Until they have to reach in their pockets, then it is a race to the bottom where cheapest is best, to hell with them human rights.

That's why they abandoned the working class for identity politics, easy to rail against bakers who refuse to bake gay marriage cakes, actually supporting living wages, labor rights, environmental rights, safety rules etc. through increased costs in domestic goods and services that they are willing to pay for as an example, not so much.

"I spoke to a liberal once, it was awful"