In a hundred years time what do you think critical opinion will be of America of this period?

Locut0s

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I can't expresses strongly enough how much of an utter fucking circus your political system looks to me right now. Both right and left. 1/2 the shit I'm seeing wouldn't be believed by your average 5th grade student, or at the very least he would ask some pointed questions. Yet it's either taken as gospel or people think "hmm that sounds reasonable". There have been numerous times in history during which forms of mass hysteria have governed a people and I wonder if looking back this will be seen as just such a time.

I'm Canadian and left leaning so I guess my opinion on this is obvious (not saying that I speak for other Canadians). What's yours?
 

MovingTarget

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I prefer the term used in the Futurama series...the Stupid Ages. I am American myself, and many of us see our own two major political parties as a complete joke. They are two sides of the same coin, and the American people only win out if it lands on its side...
 

Ozoned

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It is all a mass diversion while we secretly prepare to invade and take over the Canuck islands.
 

lokiju

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They'll not consider it just like they don't as a whole consider much of anything from the past now.
 

BoberFett

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What was our government like in 1909? 1809? Most people don't know and don't care. Hell, do you really thinking that in 100 years we'll be talking about the guy that called Obama a liar during his speech?

People put too much energy into things that don't matter.
 

irwincur

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Honestly, it is not much all that different that it has been historically. The divisions between the parties (alibiet sometimes more divisive than others) actually help the United States maintain a slow state of change. Believe it or not, this was a stated goal of the founders. Things get fucked up when you change too much too fast, they realized that, hence the balance of powers and the division of governmental powers between the states and feds.

Look at history, this is not the most divided we have been. Not even close.

Shit, we used to have politicians participating in duels.
 

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With respect to foreign policy; much will depend on what the overall outcome is.

200 yrs ago, we as a nation, we just finding ourselves and had France as a "Sponsor"
100 yrs ago, we were just developing as a world power, isolated from Europe.

The only thing that 100yrs ago has any relevance is that we were about ready to get dragged into WWI and then a recession. We had just come out of a territorial expansion from Spain.
 

Atreus21

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Originally posted by: BoberFett
What was our government like in 1909? 1809? Most people don't know and don't care. Hell, do you really thinking that in 100 years we'll be talking about the guy that called Obama a liar during his speech?

People put too much energy into things that don't matter.

This is exactly right.

We are arrogant to think that we are so important in history.
 

a123456

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Originally posted by: Atreus21
Originally posted by: BoberFett
What was our government like in 1909? 1809? Most people don't know and don't care. Hell, do you really thinking that in 100 years we'll be talking about the guy that called Obama a liar during his speech?

People put too much energy into things that don't matter.

This is exactly right.

We are arrogant to think that we are so important in history.

QFT x 2.

In 100 years, kids will be just treating this time period as much as any other time period in US history, just as another piece of information that needs to be memorized for the coming exam and then forgotten a few days later because there are more important current issues (like "how to ask out that hot girl" =).

The US has been a lot more divided and troubled obviously throughout history. For most US citizens in the current day, it's just another piece of information that people don't really care that much about.

Although it would be amusing to see Biden get in a pistol duel with Paulson.
 

D1gger

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Originally posted by: Locut0s
I can't expresses strongly enough how much of an utter fucking circus your political system looks to me right now. Both right and left. 1/2 the shit I'm seeing wouldn't be believed by your average 5th grade student, or at the very least he would ask some pointed questions. Yet it's either taken as gospel or people think "hmm that sounds reasonable". There have been numerous times in history during which forms of mass hysteria have governed a people and I wonder if looking back this will be seen as just such a time.

I'm Canadian and left leaning so I guess my opinion on this is obvious. What's yours?

... and our Canadian politics is any better? How many federal elections have we had in the last five years and it seems we are about to have another. I would suggest that our political situation makes us look like inept children to the rest of the world.
 

Jaskalas

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Originally posted by: sandorski
"No wonder Civil War 2 happened"

This.

Our divide is too great between government interests and the people's interests. They are bound to collide and nothing civil will come of it. The two party system has our representation gridlocked, but such things are temporary and one day the resulting pressure will find a release.

Either a third party will rise from the ashes of the two, or violence will ensue.
 

Locut0s

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Originally posted by: a123456
Originally posted by: Atreus21
Originally posted by: BoberFett
What was our government like in 1909? 1809? Most people don't know and don't care. Hell, do you really thinking that in 100 years we'll be talking about the guy that called Obama a liar during his speech?

People put too much energy into things that don't matter.

This is exactly right.

We are arrogant to think that we are so important in history.

QFT x 2.

In 100 years, kids will be just treating this time period as much as any other time period in US history, just as another piece of information that needs to be memorized for the coming exam and then forgotten a few days later because there are more important current issues (like "how to ask out that hot girl" =).

The US has been a lot more divided and troubled obviously throughout history. For most US citizens in the current day, it's just another piece of information that people don't really care that much about.

Although it would be amusing to see Biden get in a pistol duel with Paulson.

I'm talking about more about the opinion of historians 100 years hence who really are interested. Not about public opinion.
 

Locut0s

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Originally posted by: D1gger
Originally posted by: Locut0s
I can't expresses strongly enough how much of an utter fucking circus your political system looks to me right now. Both right and left. 1/2 the shit I'm seeing wouldn't be believed by your average 5th grade student, or at the very least he would ask some pointed questions. Yet it's either taken as gospel or people think "hmm that sounds reasonable". There have been numerous times in history during which forms of mass hysteria have governed a people and I wonder if looking back this will be seen as just such a time.

I'm Canadian and left leaning so I guess my opinion on this is obvious. What's yours?

... and our Canadian politics is any better? How many federal elections have we had in the last five years and it seems we are about to have another. I would suggest that our political situation makes us look like inept children to the rest of the world.

I didn't state I was Canadian to seem superior in any way. I simply stated it so that it was clear my point of view was that of a foreigner. I don't claim our system is in any way perfect. Far from it. It's clogged with inefficiencies petty rivalries, over spending, and much more. Yet despite all this I would still say we are better off than our friends to the south.
 

Ozoned

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Originally posted by: Locut0s
Originally posted by: D1gger
Originally posted by: Locut0s
I can't expresses strongly enough how much of an utter fucking circus your political system looks to me right now. Both right and left. 1/2 the shit I'm seeing wouldn't be believed by your average 5th grade student, or at the very least he would ask some pointed questions. Yet it's either taken as gospel or people think "hmm that sounds reasonable". There have been numerous times in history during which forms of mass hysteria have governed a people and I wonder if looking back this will be seen as just such a time.

I'm Canadian and left leaning so I guess my opinion on this is obvious. What's yours?

... and our Canadian politics is any better? How many federal elections have we had in the last five years and it seems we are about to have another. I would suggest that our political situation makes us look like inept children to the rest of the world.

I didn't state I was Canadian to seem superior in any way. I simply stated it so that it was clear my point of view was that of a foreigner. I don't claim our system is in any way perfect. Far from it. It's clogged with inefficiencies petty rivalries, over spending, and much more. Yet despite all this I would still say we are better off than our friends to the south.
There is no place like home, don't matter where you are...
 

bamacre

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Originally posted by: First
Originally posted by: Jaskalas


Either a third party will rise from the ashes of the two, or violence will ensue.

lmao.

It's already happened. McVeigh ring a bell?

That said, violence is not the answer. I can only hope that civil disobedience is the answer, and that it works. And while we may be on that path, we'll have to come a long way down it before that happens on any significant level.
 

Jaskalas

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The only reason that it is not more prevalent is that people are comfortable in their lives and are thus not willing to sacrifice to force change to occur. If the nation continues to descend from the superpower it once was, and the gridlock continues in Washington, our people will witness poverty and suffering like they have never seen. It will bring more of them to the breaking point.

You can print money all you want, but you can?t print happiness. Worse yet, the printing that continues is only going to hurt our people. It is only going to add pressure to the pot. When the pressure keeps rising, the only question remaining is at what point do we reach boiling temperature?

I don?t know when, but I know it is inevitable. 100 years from now they will know the answer to that.
 

Sclamoz

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I think they will look at us as a society of paranoid undereducated drug addicts that despite our focus on science and tendency towards amoral behavior still let religious based fear dictate in large part whats considered acceptable and normal in everyday life.

If your focusing on our government specifically well... I think the main story is blatant corruption and hypocrisy. But that's nothing out of the ordinary. In fact, I bet governments 100 years from now will still be pretty much the same as they are today.

I also have to disagree with people who don't think this is an important time period in history. It's the opposite, this period in time is huge IMHO, and historians will be able to examine it in much more detail than possible before thanks to the internet, TV, radio etc. Just think, some historian might be reading this thread 100 years from now :)
 

Infohawk

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Interesting question until I realized a Canadian was asking it and acting as if Canada will be distinguished from the US in one-hundred years.
 

Munky

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Nah, 100 years from now I'm expecting a Fallout3-style scenario to be well underway. People will remember and reminisce about what went wrong and what we should have done, but were too distracted by lies and ignorance... and it will be too late to change things the easy way.