In 2016, Bernie Sanders Will Defeat Clinton and Dominate Trump to Become President

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On November 8, 2016 Bernie Sanders will achieve a dominant victory over Donald Trump. Already, Sanders defeats Trump in the polls by a wider margin than Hillary Clinton, as illustrated in a December 22, 2015 Hill article titled "In blockbuster poll, Sanders destroys Trump by 13 points":

Stop the presses! According to a new poll by Quinnipiac University on Tuesday, Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) destroys Republican candidate Donald Trump in a general election by 13 percentage points. In this new poll, Sanders has 51 percent to Trump's 38 percent.

If this margin held in a general election, Democrats would almost certainly regain control of the United States Senate and very possibly the House of Representatives.

It is noteworthy that in this Quinnipiac poll, Sanders runs so much stronger than Clinton against Trump...

In the December 22 poll, Bernie Sanders defeats Trump by 13 points, while Clinton beats Trump by 7 points.

There are numerous reasons Bernie Sanders will achieve this dominant victory over a billionaire xenophobe who panders to the fears and base passions of conservatives. First, Bernie Sanders warns against the influence of money and power in politics, and "welcomes the hatred" of the billionaire class that Trump personifies. Sanders won the Congressional Award from the Veterans of Foreign Wars, while Trump insulted Vietnam Veteran and former POW John McCain. There are a great many other reasons that I'll highlight in the future, when Sanders becomes the Democratic nominee. Overall, Bernie Sanders genuinely cares about ending wealth inequality and perpetual wars, while Trump is a buffoon who's spent most of his time making headlines for outrageous statements.

Most importantly, Sanders is the antithesis of Trump and gives voters a stark contrast in choice; not so with Hillary. POLITICO writes that Clinton "received donations from both him and son Donald Trump Jr. on separate occasions in 2002, 2005, 2006 and 2007, according to state and federal disclosure records." You'll never get a Clinton supporter to address these donations, or why Trump once felt it would be advantageous to become one of Clinton's donors.

Trump also gave $100,000 to the Clinton Foundation, in either a moment of pure altruism, or another campaign donation akin to Clinton's foreign donor scandal.

While the recent Quinnipiac poll shows Clinton defeating Trump, the underlying data shows that generally, Americans don't trust the former Secretary of State. 59 percent of American voters believe Clinton is "not honest and trustworthy." 55 percent of American voters say "she does not share their values." 50 percent of American voters feel Clinton "does not care about their needs and problems." Like every other poll in 2008 and 2015 illustrating Clinton's wide lead over a challenger, voters say they'll vote for a candidate they don't trust, or feel doesn't care about their problems.

If you view polls as gospel and place a premium on recent polls, then Quinnipiac also states 72 percent of Independents don't believe Clinton is honest and trustworthy. This is a dangerous number for Democrats since 43 percent of Americans according to Gallup are independent.

Also, 49 percent (compared to 44 percent) of American women don't view Clinton as honest or trustworthy, while over 62% of voters ages 35-64 don't find Clinton honest or trustworthy.

From ages 18 to over 65, there was no age group that found Clinton honest or trustworthy, and 59 percent of Americans age 18-34 don't find Clinton to be honest or trustworthy.

51 percent of registered voters have an unfavorable view of Clinton (compared to 43 percent), while Bernie Sanders has a positive net favorability of 9 points.

Again, this Quinnipiac poll is from December 22, 2015. Most polls, like this one, contradict their findings; Americans will never vote for a candidate they don't like and don't trust, linked to an FBI investigation.

On December 18, 2007 Gallup stated that Clinton Maintains Large Lead Over Obama Nationally. It never lasted, and I explain why Clinton is unelectable due to negative favorability ratings in this YouTube segment.

Bernie Sanders will win the Democratic nomination because if Clinton was ever going to win, it would have been in 2008, not during an investigation of her emails by the FBI. On December 11, POLITICO explained why the FBI's investigation is just getting started in a piece titled "State Department can't find emails of top Clinton IT staffer":

The FBI has taken possession of Bryan Pagliano's computer system...
Clinton had personally paid Pagliano to maintain her home-made server, which is also currently in the FBI's possession. The agency has been investigating whether classified material was ever put at risk because she used her own server instead of the standard State email system. The State Department has designated about 1,000 of her emails as classified documents, which would never have been allowed on such a private system.
Considering that hackers from various countries already tried to access Clinton's server, Pagliano pleaded the Fifth, and two computer systems are in the FBI's custody, this story won't end before Election Day.

As for the belief that African American voters and other non-white Democrats will overwhelmingly vote for Clinton in South Carolina and throughout the South, people aren't poll numbers. A Daily Beast article on December 29, 2015 titled "Hillary Clinton's Tone-Deaf Racial Pandering" explains why poll numbers might not equate to votes:

Hillary Clinton's minority outreach over the last week has rekindled the idea that she is a candidate who is out of touch, particularly when it comes to minorities. To many of us, her campaign's insistence that she is an abuela for Latinos and the changing of her Twitter logo to represent Kwanzaa came across as pandering at its worst...

If more of Clinton's outreach attempts seem tone deaf or overly reliant on her previous successes than her present rapport with today's voters, it will be difficult for her to shake the image of being out of touch.

It's important to also note that Clinton's attempt at pandering comes months after progressive groups pressured her to stop taking money from prison lobbyists. The Intercept writes "As immigration and incarceration issues become central to the 2016 presidential campaign, lobbyists for two major prison companies are serving as top fundraisers for Hillary Clinton."

Finally, I find it bizarre that certain people still brand me as a Paul supporter, even though I'm a lifelong Democrat against perpetual war (I only wrote the piece because Obama had sent more Americans back to the Middle East and I'm vehemently opposed to more Americans dying in quagmires), and I now view the Paul article last year as a mistake.

I'm also only voting for Bernie Sanders.

Conversely, Hillary Clinton views Iraq as a "mistake," yet her supporters have no problem seeing the former New York Senator as president. The Iraq war destabilized the Middle East, I simply angered fellow progressives.

If you hear any wild conspiracy theories about me, or ridiculous accusations, simply send my detractors this YouTube segment. As for why I'm writing non-stop about Bernie Sanders, nothing epitomizes my desire to see Sanders as the Democratic nominee and president than this POLITIFACT article titled "Yes, Clinton used the Bush administration line":

"President Bush and Dick Cheney insisted there was a connection. Senator Clinton on the floor of the Senate suggested that there was such a connection," Obama said in an interview on MSNBC's Hardball on March 11, 2008.

In that speech, Clinton explained her reasoning... "He [Saddam] has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al-Qaida members..."

Sanders opposed Iraq and foreshadowed its tragic consequences, going against establishment Democrats and neoconservative Republicans; both would become even more intertwined with a Clinton presidency.

In contrast, Clinton echoed Bush and Cheney talking points about al Qaeda in Saddam's Iraq. If you vote for anyone other than Bernie Sanders in 2016, you're simply not a progressive, especially knowing that Trump is a racist xenophobe and Clinton utilized the same tactics against Obama in 2008. You're also voting for endless wars with Trump or Clinton, while Bernie Sanders says "I'll be dammed" to more quagmires.

This year, it's Bernie Sanders against an establishment upheld by Trump and Clinton. I explain why Bernie Sanders will become president during an appearance on The Thom Hartmann Program. If you listen to the segment, you'll understand exactly why Bernie Sanders will become president in 2016.

I agree. I think the polls are skewed by the media who want a corporatist.

People vote with their wallets and as Bill O'Reilly said so eloquently after 2012 election, "This is not Traditional America anymore. Now people want stuff from the government. Who's going to give it to them?"
 
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fskimospy

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Lol @ skewed polls. Buckshot made that same claim in 2012.

Bernie Sanders won't win the primary. He would probably win the general against Trump, but that's because of Trump's weakness, not Bernie's strength.

General election polls are near useless at this time, especially for candidates without strong name recognition. As soon as Sanders became more widely known his poll numbers would drop as partisanship asserts itself.

This is coming from someone who likes Bernie Sanders and would have no problem seeing him win. He has no chance.
 

fskimospy

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I dont trust polls anymore. They are as politically skewed as the news.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MSNBC..._Obama_week_before_2012_presidential_election

That link has nothing to do with the polls. The polls in aggregate totally nailed the 2012 election within a very small margin. People's trust for the accuracy of polls usually seems to wax and wane depending on if the polls are telling them something they want to hear.

Primary polling is much more difficult than general election polling, especially in caucus states like Iowa. That being said, in the aggregate Bernie Sanders has very little chance of winning the nomination. I guess I said 'no chance' before, which is wrong, but he's a major long shot.
 

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I'm tired of all these polls.


So many polls around here we have a damn strip club.
 

IronWing

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Bernie the Dominator® Takes the Donald Down sounds like an unpleasant porn flick.
 
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I agree. I think the polls are skewed by the media who want a corporatist.

People vote with their wallets and as Bill O'Reilly said so eloquently after 2012 election, "This is not Traditional America anymore. Now people want stuff from the government. Who's going to give it to them?"

The problem with that logic (as you try to make it out to be an "okay" thing), is that eventually you run out of other people's money ;)
 

Indus

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The problem with that logic (as you try to make it out to be an "okay" thing), is that eventually you run out of other people's money ;)

Try telling that to the billionaires and millionaires who don't even care their own countrymen and women can get a $15 an hour minimum wage.
 

shady28

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Agreed.

This year (and possibly forevermore) the deciding factor will be whether or not the candidate has a TV show or appeared in movies. It worked for Reagan and Schwarzenegger.

Homer Simpson for president!


He ran in 2008 and din't make much of a splash.

http://www.presidentsimpson.com/

simpson08a.gif
 

kage69

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The Wall Street defense Hillary gave at that debate, where she went Giuliani after Bernie owned her over being a bank employee, I think that trickling down to the masses despite Deb Wasserman-Schultz's efforts to marginalize it, is building momentum. That's a dead bird tied to her neck people, not Jean Paul Gaultier. Bernie's message scores with anyone who can be honest about the money problem in politics, and personally that covers just about everyone I know. I haven't seen support like this for a candidate from all over the spectrum in my entire life.

Keep in mind this is a day and age of upsets! I remember hearing people say Romney had it in the bag because unemployment was above 5%. I think Bernie would crush any of the GOP hopefuls in a general. His race is against Hillary, and for that my hope is a repeat of Aldo vs. MacGregor. :)
 

Slew Foot

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anyone but Hillary. i doubt Bernie can get the dem nomination, but sanders as pres with a republican congress wouldnt be terrible.
 

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He ran in 2008 and din't make much of a splash.

http://www.presidentsimpson.com/

simpson08a.gif

I think he would be less disastrous than the reigns of Reagan and Schwarzenegger.

If you want your local, state, and federal governments to be bankrupt, throw the mentally ill on the street, worsen pollution and contaminate the water supply, start endless wars, get more guns on the street (maybe next year we can break 40,000 gun deaths!), lower wages, put more power only at the top... vote republican!
 

Ruptga

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Have you been polled too much my dear? :biggrin:

I hope not. We're finally in an election year, meaning now that the last year and a half of pre-season is over it's time for the real polling to get started.
 

Indus

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There's something else too.. In a recent NBC/ WSJ survey 73% of Americans polled they wanted change in the policies from President Obama.

73% of Americans is more than just Republicans.

I think that means someone other than part of Obama's admistration i.e. Hillary.
 

DigDog

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i wish, but no.

Hillary will win; she's been set up to win since before Obama took office, because of PC (she's a woman), because Bill was a decent president and Democrats outvote Republicans, and because the marginally informed (and thus more likely to go vote) do not understand how rotten she is.

Also, Hillary would look great in international politics. Same reason Trump can't be allowed to win - would make 'mmurica a laughingstock overseas.